Jun
12

Perdue Vetoes Budget Bill

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“… an ideologically driven budget…”

From the Charlotte Observer:

RALEIGH In a historic move, Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue today vetoed the GOP-authored $19.7 billion budget, despite Republican legislative leaders’ confidence that they have enough override votes.


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  1. TJ says:

    Good news travels fast!

    She stated she is not satisfied with a state in reverse.

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  2. barry says:

    Of the five Democrats who voted for the Republican budget, at least four of them were clearly paid off. I know, we’re all shocked, shocked to find that there’s gambling going on in this establishment. (“Here’s your winnings.” “Oh thank you very much…”)

    Rep. William Brisson got a promise from the Reps. to keep a prison open in his district that the Department of Correction was considering closing. Instead they might close the Haywood Correctional Center in Waynesville. Who cares? That’s Joe Sam Queen’s district. He’s one of the ‘bad’ Democrats. Screw him and the 42 lost jobs.

    Reps. Spear and Owens got $15 million to build a privately-run toll bridge between their districts. This funding had been removed, but got restored just before these ‘Democrats’ voted for the final budget. As I said before, what a cowinky-dink.

    Rep. Jim Crawford got “provision he wanted for the Butner Public Safety Division.” But I haven’t found any stories particularly about it.

    Rep. Dewey Hill just sounds like a cranky, 85 yr old fart who’s not risen as high as he thinks he should in the Democratic Party after 10 terms in the GA, so he’s pissing on them: “I get North Carolina peanuts as vice chair of agriculture, so they come over and get peanuts from me.”

    I hope somebody is finding a vise of the right size and location for them, before the veto override. The NC Association of Educators is sending mailers to the voters in their districts, and in response, the Republicans passed a bill attacking the NCAE’s funding. In that open-mic blunder last week, Republican House Speaker Thom Tillis said explicitly that this was political payback: “We just want to give them a little taste of what’s about to come.”

    What a thug.

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  3. Thunder Pig says:

    She is pandering to her base. Her veto will be overridden by a bi-partisan super majority in the state legislature…the same way it was passed.

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  4. TJ says:

    ” By placing politics ahead of the public interest, she engages in obstruction of the worst kind, and we will act quickly to move North Carolina forward.”

    So. Berger feels that it is NOT in the public interest to preserve education, and that moves NC forward exactly HOW??

    (I know that is only a portion of the budget, so don’t jump all over that. It is the one thing I have already seen affecting my children, their teachers and schools, as well as a few friends).

    But, then, kids can’t vote, can they? It’s just their future being decided now. Still, the adults “know best.”
    Jeesh, maybe I could donate a few thousand copies of Alice Miller books to our governmental leaders.

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  5. nathan ramsey says:

    How’s it placing the state in reverse when the NCGA budget has net spending on K-12 almost the same as what the Governor Perdue and total budget spending is within $200M and you let the “temporary taxes” of over $1 billion expire and return that to families and businesses of the state? In this economy, that would be a win, win and win.

    One would think progressives would be pleased, considering the the similarity in education and total spending, to see the avoidance of a sales tax increase which many contend is very regressive form of taxation.

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  6. Doug Gibson says:

    Good rundown on the differences in education priorities between the Governor’s budget and the NCGA’s here.

    Hey, there’s just 15% in additional cuts to Smart Start in the legislature’s budget – that’s practically no difference at all!

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  7. TJ says:

    Don’t know exactly where this fits in, but I found this quote from the Mtn. Xpress interesting from your highness, King Moffitt (in response to SH readers responses to the water issue):

    “There seems to be a ‘handful’ (my quotes) of people in the city who are active about everything that comes out of Raleigh. By and large, though, people just want clean, safe drinking water.. How it’s managed is immaterial to them….What it costs is material to them.”

    He says just before that that he has not heard much from “his” constituents. He also says his critics got it “all wrong,” it was just meant to be a “study bill” all along, and it hadn’t been filed that way because, “well, you get all jammed up on schedules-you can only get so much done.”

    So, do I have this right?

    1. We are not his constituents as a representative, because we don’t agree with him?

    2. No one, except all you troublemakers from ScruHoo, really care what he does and how, as long as it looks good $-wise?

    3. If he can’t budget his time wisely and messes up scheduling, that he gets to do whatever he wants, however he wants?

    And:

    4: He’s just a poor, misunderstood representative, and why don’t we all just get along and play nicely?

    WOW!

    How condescending and patronizing.

    And, if all these Hooligans are all that keep him from complete reign without censor, then I hope all you “troublemakers” keep it up.

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  8. Doug Gibson says:

    TJ,

    He may be right that his constituents don’t care much about the water issue, since he has what I believe is the most Republican (and least Democratic) House district in Buncombe. At least that’s what I’m guessing he means: his constituents, as opposed to Susan Fisher’s, or Patsy Keever’s.

    If you live in his district, then you should let him know.

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  9. TJ says:

    “If you live in his district, then you should let him know.”

    I see what you mean.

    And, I’m not sure whose district I live within. Where does Asheville fit in? (East, for now).

    And – I actually DID email to express my disapproval, but if I don’t belong in HIS district, perhaps he didn’t care. However, I had to ask them to stop sending me email updates because I was not a “friend” of his ;-)

    They did stop, at least.

    Either way, I’m not too shy about expressing my thoughts (although, at times, I may not, because I am not sure I have enough info to make an intelligent comment), and I’m more than glad to express them if I am within his “earshot.”

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  10. mule says:

    Wow…I hope this doesn’t mean that she gets dis-invited from Rick Perry’s l’il prayer fest:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/11/MN0B1JSR1A.DTL

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  11. barry says:

    Yes, also in that XPress article he says this:

    “There’s no attempt to privatize the system.”

    As I said there, what a Clintonian statement.

    Warning to King Moffitt: Italian voters, in spite of the fact that he tried to get them to stay away from the polls, just spanked their monarch, the fascist billionaire child molester Silvio Berlusconi, and voted to repeal his order that all municipalities must privatize their water utilities.

    “They cite instances in Sicily where bottled water companies also control tap water — which they turn off for hours at a time.”

    Certainly no private, for-profit, multi-national corporation operating in America would abuse their ownership of our drinking water that way…

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  12. nathan ramsey says:

    If history is any guide, we’ll be arguing about water in this community 80 years from now. The consolidation of the water and sewer systems in this community into one public utility is not a new idea, many Democrats including quite a few serving in political office have advocated for this in the recent past.

    For my friends in the city, understandably they view the water system as the crown jewel of Asheville and they believe the city has given up far too much control with the creation of MSD and the airport authority among other entities, so most anything regarding the water system is “fightin words” to them. Going back to my thought that the only way we get over these trust and turf issues is to consolidate city and county governments then there is no more us and them, just we. Hopefully our current public officials can find a better solution, they certainly are far more intelligent than myself. Since our Democrat legislators and council in the past have had their differences on water stuff, it shouldn’t be a surprise at the response to Rep. Moffitt’s efforts.

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  13. barry says:

    Typical Nathan. The warm and fuzzy way to solve our problems is to dissolve the City government and allow ourselves to be dominated by the County. Hey, here’s an idea: dissolve the County government, and let the City of Asheville administer things. That’ll do, that’ll do…

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  14. nathan ramsey says:

    If that would mean everyone throughout the county could vote for city council, you can call it whatever makes you feel happy, sounds good to me. If however, you mean dissolve county government and let council govern us without everyone having a voice and vote, then you are playing into all the fears that many in our community and region have about city government.

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  15. barry says:

    Nathan – Out of left field, I wonder if you could comment on something. This chart is a breakdown of the retail taxes collected within municipalities in Buncombe County and then sent to the State, compared to the amounts that are then sent back to the County from the state, and then disbursed by the County back to the municipalities. It was prepared by the Downtown Association, based on data from the NC Dept. of Revenue.

    I’m sure you see where my concern is – why is it that such a disparity exists between the ratio of the money that is raised within Asheville vs. how much we get back, compared to the ratio of in/out to the rest of the County.

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  16. nathan ramsey says:

    Guess you are talking about the per capita or ad valorem distribution of sales taxes in the county. The disparity is a zero sum game, city of asheville and county general funds would see a net increase in revenue if the county changed the distribution formula but the ACS, fire districts, and virtually all other municipalities in the county would see a decline in revenue. It is a very positive thing for asheville residents that the city is a regional shopping, healthcare, and business hub. The city benefits from the ad valorem property tax revenues with a large percentage of commercial enterprises being located within asheville corporate limits. About the only service the county provides to those in unincorporated areas that those in incorporated municipalities don’t receive are the sheriff’s dept patrol & investigation expenses as well as a large percentage of the net cost of the county planning department.

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  17. TJ says:

    “Certainly no private, for-profit, multi-national corporation operating in America would abuse their ownership of our drinking water that way…”

    Of course not! They’re WAY too honorable for such things, don’t you know?

    “If however, you mean dissolve county government and let council govern us without everyone having a voice and vote, then you are playing into all the fears that many in our community and region have about city government.”

    So, what about the fears of those in the city that feel the county is not so interested in what city residents want? I watched a meeting held in Black Mountain (I think), and I don’t know if it was a Commissioner meeting, but any nice ideas I had about the Black Mountain community being a nice family place went out the window as I watched. For all of the Mayor’s blunders regarding health care benefits, etc., I much preferred that over what I watched.

    So, do I want people outside of Asheville deciding what happens here? Most definitely not. I think “us” and “them” is just fine, if only people could learn to respect differences. I have many areas in my life that are expressed differently in lives of my friends. Somehow, we manage to appreciate and support each other, regardless of our differences.

    Why should anyone have to give up their “self” to make peace with any governing body? Isn’t the governing body the one which should be setting the example for its’ citizens to follow?

    It worries me when I hear anyone suggesting someone gives up who they are, to “get along.”

    There’s a time and place for that, but I don’t think that would solve anything.

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  18. Andrew Dahm says:

    I must be missing something on the sales tax thing. Barry managed to locate info I was unable to find, because the state stopped reporting sales tax revenues by municipality several years ago.

    I’ve noodled with the state reports before, and with the addition of Barry’s data, it certainly looks like retail sales in Asheville exceed Henderson and Haywood Counties combined, give or take.

    How many people commute from Asheville to Hendersonville or Waynesville? How many people commute to Asheville from Hendersonville or Waynesville? Lots of downstream questions here.

    I’m not sure I understand Nathan’s answer on this – this city provides a lot of services to commuters who pay no property tax, and sales tax revenue seems like the perfect leveler.

    I really won’t bore you with how Tennessee’s Wholesale Beer Tax works – suffice it to say you drop a keg 100 yards away from the last one and a check goes to a different municipality or county. Notionally, the legislature sought to distribute this tax equitably, and it most certainly is.

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  19. TJ says:

    “I’m not sure I understand Nathan’s answer on this – this city provides a lot of services to commuters who pay no property tax, and sales tax revenue seems like the perfect leveler.”

    That’s also true for counties, such as Madison, and as far as Burke Co. I know people from all those areas whom come here, not only for the social and shopping experiences, but also for various human services not provided in their areas.

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  20. barry says:

    It is a very positive thing for asheville residents that the city is a regional shopping, healthcare, and business hub.

    This is an interesting statement, Nathan. Do you not feel that the whole County benefits from Asheville’s economic activity, which as a major tourist destination, is not restricted merely to regional consumers? Just a quick spitball estimate suggests that the unincorporated areas alone receive something like $40 million more than they would if Buncombe were just a quiet rural county.

    Barry managed to locate info I was unable to find, because the state stopped reporting sales tax revenues by municipality several years ago.

    The chart is thanks to Joe Minicozzi at the Downtown Association, part of a presentation that he makes on their behalf arguing that more money should be spent developing downtown Asheville, because of the benefits generated for the whole County. He says that the NCGA just this year directed the Dept. of Revenue to stop breaking down tax collection and disbursement by municipalities, so this type of analysis will become unavailable. My guess at the reason? More conservative County officials (like Nathan) who have a newfound oomph in Raleigh, don’t want us city folk to know how much of the burden of paying for government comes from us vs. county residents.

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  21. Doug Gibson says:

    Barry,

    As a piece of corroborating evidence, I would point out the way Martin Nesbitt’s ascent to majority leader last year was painted as a schism between “rural” Democrats and Democrats from “urban” area (read: liberals/minorities).

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  22. barry says:

    …city of asheville and county general funds would see a net increase in revenue if the county changed the distribution formula but the ACS, fire districts, and virtually all other municipalities in the county would see a decline in revenue.

    So the County could choose the formula option that would direct something like an additional $2 million annually back to the City of Asheville? This is the rough amount that I’ve heard.

    I’m just trying to get my head around why you Nathan and others in the County have this fear of Asheville. Worrying that we might figure out how much we support the rest of the County while being the target of abuse and legislative undermining – yeah, I can see how you might come to fear and hate people who you are rogering like the County is rogering the City…

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  23. nathan ramsey says:

    Barry – I would suggest you contact the commissioners, city council or their managers and they can give you the correct numbers on the sales tax distribution. Based on state law, our commissioners are the governing board which determines the distribution method. The $40 million number you cite is way off base but our local government officials can give you the exact numbers.

    The unincorporated areas receive none of these dollars outside of the sales tax disbursements to the fire districts and county government. If the distribution formula was changed, if I recall correctly, Asheville City Schools, Black Mountain, Montreat, Biltmore Forest, Weaverville, Woodfin, and the fire districts would receive less funding while the county and City of Asheville would receive more funding. I think the county actually realizes more of an increase in funding than the City of Asheville.

    Like it or not, we actually are interdependent. City of Asheville residents benefit from being located in a community of multiple small towns, villages and farms and forests. Those in the small towns and rural areas benefit from being part of a larger urban area that is a center for so many different services and amenities. County government taxes all of those areas according to ad valorem value at the same rate which provides fairness to all taxpayers regardless of where they may reside.

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