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From the Shuler – Miller comment thread comes this quote from Tom Sullivan.

Republicans play the long game. Like terriers with a knotted rope, they won’t let go. They can be the relentless, and that is how they defeat liberals over and over. They know that if they just hold out long enough, liberals will give up and go home. They may win nothing more than a knotted rope, but that is enough to keep them going. One setback for us and we are ready to throw in the towel.

Me, I’m just getting warmed up.

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So why don’t Democrats modify their game and start long range fixes that will bring our country back on track? Instead of powder puff superficial half-measures, like shovel ready, ‘spruce-up’ stimulus projects, back room deals with pharmaceutical companies and insurance industry patronage instead of single payer—which a majority of the country wanted? Democrats need to get busy, stop the wishy washy ‘we’re doing the best we can’ and ‘we’re better than they are’ excuses: get tough, dig in, go after deep fundamental structural change. Getting rid of the Obama Wall Street cabal, Summers and Geithner would be a good start. Getting out of Afghanistan and reducing the defense department budget would be a logical next step. Changing tax policy so corporations actually pay tax instead of evading taxes. A corporation now can contribute more to a political candidate than an individual citizen! America needs to fix itself. Democrats need to reform themselves. Grow a set.

I’ve always voted Democrat, except when I voted Green. But…loyalty requires confidence something sorely lacking these days.

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@ Diogenes

Let’s go back a year in the middle of the health care debate. Describe the timeline and steps to achieving single payer in this country.

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There’s a backstory to the terrier anecdote. It’s applicable to the current discussion. It’s from a 2000 Vanity Fair profile of then-governor George W. Bush:

Even if he loses, his friends say, he doesn’t lose. He’ll just change the score, or change the rules, or make his opponent play until he can beat him. “If you were playing basketball and you were playing to 11 and he was down, you went to 15,” says Hannah, now a Dallas insurance executive. “If he wasn’t winning, he would quit. He would just walk off…. It’s what we called Bush Effort: If I don’t like the game, I take my ball and go home. Very few people can get away with that.” So why could George get away with it? “He was just too easygoing and too pleasant.”

Another fast friend, Roland Betts, acknowledges that it is the same in tennis. In November 1992, Bush and Betts were in Santa Fe to host a dinner party, but they had just enough time for one set of doubles. The former Yale classmates were on opposite sides of the net. “There was only one problem — my side won the first set,” recalls Betts. “O.K., then we’re going two out of three,” Bush decreed. Bush’s side takes the next set. But Betts’s side is winning the third set when it starts to snow. Hard, fat flakes. The catering truck pulls up. But Bush won’t let anybody quit. “He’s pissed. George runs his mouth constantly,” says Betts indulgently. “He’s making fun of your last shot, mocking you, needling you, goading you — he never shuts up!” They continued to play tennis through a driving snowstorm.

There are two Bushes in that first paragraph. One, the guy who (like many progressives) when he can’t win takes his ball and goes home. And two, the guy who refuses to quit and will keep playing until he gets to win — by changing the rules, by default, maybe, simply because everyone else tires of playing and gives up first.

The second Bush reminded me of a Jack Russell terrier playing tug of war with a knotted rope. You can pick him up bodily off the floor and watch him hang by his teeth, his butt swinging around in circles in the air, but he won’t let go. Eventually, your arm gets tired and you let him have it. Who cares, right? It’s just a rope. Well, he cares. More than you. He wants to win more than you do. Winning is everything, and it doesn’t matter if the victory is meaningful or not. That’s why the terrier runs off with the rope and you walk away empty handed. As the high school football coach tells the team, “Boys, you gotta want it.”

If you want to beat such people, you have to be just as single-minded and relentless. If you get disappointed at setbacks and take your ball and go home, you hand a victory to your opponents. That happens too often with progressives.

Movement conservatism — and the movement conservatives behind the Tea Party — are like the second Bush. They refuse to lose. Even if they lose, they don’t lose. They’ll keep playing until you tire of the game and give up.

Unless progressives are willing to out-play such people, they will always lose, because their opponents will never give up.

In the Warren Beatty “Heaven Can Wait,” Leo Farnsworth (Beatty, a quarterback) asks a corporate board of directors, what do you do when you’re ahead? — You don’t make mistakes:

You don’t gamble unnecessarily.
You protect your lead.
You don’t pass from your own end.
You make sure nobody gets hurt.
You got to use these guys in the next game…
We’re not here for just one game.
We’re going all the way to the Super Bowl!

Are we?

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@ Paul Choi

When Democrats were swept into power along with Obama, there was a filibuster majority in Congress. Campaign promises included, along with health care, closing of Gitmo, finance reform, ending two unpopular costly wars, etc. Then, a surprisingly inept inexperienced administration squandered momentum and let slip away the chance of lifetime to do what voters, by a respectable majority hoped they would do. People are angry! About the health insurance company reform–it’s no where near single payer universal health care a majority of American wanted. About the economy, mounting unemployment, income disparity, the mangled slow-off- the-mark mismanagement of the gulf oil spill–which happened just weeks after Obama called for a reopening of drilling on the east coast. People are angry. Failing to recognize that anger and doing something about it will result in an election in November that will be your worst nightmare.

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@ Tom Sullivan

I don’t want to take the ball and go home, but I do want to fix those things that are broken. Alas, there is much in need of repair. Rejecting out of hand the valid arguments of voters who traditionally support Democratic candidates is a mistake. Inclusiveness, despite what Robert Gibbs says, of progressives might go a long way in solving some of Americas problems. Zeus knows following the paths and patterns of the past is getting us nowhere.

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@Diogenes

The point about single payer is to demonstrate the realities of a government entrenched by special interests; something that apathy gave way to. Despite a 60 vote majority, not all of those Senators think alike. Single payer bills by Sanders and Conyers never got more than 2 and 90 supporters, respectively. If you brought a single payer bill up for a vote, it would never have passed. So instead they went for what they could build upon for the future. The end product of any of our social services today does not look like the first product when it was started. Social Security was never dreamed to be what it is today. Civil Rights wasn’t just marches on DC, great speeches and bridge crossings in Selma. Civil Rights took decades to get to 1964. And even then we had to wait another year to make voting more equitable with the VOting Rights Act of 1965. And there have been two more Civil Rights Acts since, in 1968 and 1991.

We are building, relentlessly. To give up and go home would be the worst thing. One day, maybe Western NOrth Carolina can elect a Grayson, Kucinich, Weiner. But it won’t happen anytime soon. That’s the reality. We’re working with what we have and moving America forward.

ps. Why do you think Kucinich voted for the final version of health care, despite his NAY votes on previous versions? Kucinich is an idealist but understands when pragmatism is necessary.

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All this is so. But I am not sure there will be anyone left in a hundred years. What then is there to be patient for? You cannot play a long game in a burning house.

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To those here who think the volatile mix of anxiety and uncertainty, disillusionment, frustration and anger is simply progressive’s petulance I urge most strongly that you read every word of the superb analysis linked to below.

It describes the ‘fear and fury’ of the electorate –left and right–, the failures of the Democrats, the failures of the inexperienced & inept Obama administration and squandered opportunity.

It’s probably too late to do anything about it before November but, for what it’s worth, I’m putting my time and (and a little bit of) money toward electing Elaine Marshall in whom I have great hope.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/what-created-the-populist_b_699960.html

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Good point, Diogenes.

Why isn’t the Democratic establishment trying to elect Elaine Marshall even right now?

Choi, this is for you. Where is the DSCC and Menendez?

You’ve got a GOP seat ripe for the picking, but the Democratic establishment is nowhere to be found.

And I love this quote from our Democratic establishment friend:

“If you brought a single payer bill up for a vote,”

They didn’t. That’s the problem. The foolish leadership brought up half-measures for vote without forcing votes (even if some lost) on what EVEN THE POLLS say voters wanted.

Incompetence doesn’t begin to describe the failure of leadership.

It’s fear mixed with collusion with a cherry of incompetence on top.

I’m done with my serving of it.

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Weston isn’t afraid to to call out the national Dems and has in the past. He’s not listened to any more than we are. I’ve just found that I have more leverage for changing things on the inside than from outside, although I have one foot in each. Not enough leverage or fast enough, mind you, but more than I had. It’s local influence more than national, but that’s where it starts.

Diogenes, if you want to help Elaine, Susan “Smitty” Dotson-Smith is her campaign rep in this area. Drop me a line later at tm_sullivan_act at yahoo dot com and I’ll put you in touch. Showing up (repeatedly) with a willingness to do grunt work is the best way to earn credibility (because it’s mostly grunt work).

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Paul – sorry about that; a few of your comments got caught in the spam filter, probably because of the number of links. We have it set to three before Akismet thinks it’s spam.

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@Des

Let me know when you want to come by Buncombe Democratic HQ and I’ll show you all the work we’ve been doing to elect Elaine. Go ask her western rep Smitty about the work we’ve been doing for Elaine.

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@Diogenes

A couple of articles for your perusal.

From Andrew Sullivan at the Atlantic:
“And that’s why Obama’s incrementalism, his refusal to pose as a presidential magician, and his resistance to taking the bait of the fetid right (he’s president – not a cable news host) seems to me to show not weakness, but a lethal and patient strength. And a resilient ambition.”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/06/getting-shit-done.html

From the article Andrew Sullivan links to:
“Liberal despair only reinforces their power and helps to ensure that whatever gains are made during the Obama term could quickly be rolled back. And if that happens, we are back, ten years from now, to fighting the usual rearguard battles. With this in mind, some perspective is in order.”
http://democracyjournal.org/article.php?ID=6760

ps. You still haven’t answered my question from the 2nd comment above.

@@Des
If we put up a single payer bill for a vote and it lost, then you would’ve said “Why didn’t you work harder to get more votes?” or “Why did you put it up if you knew it was going to fail?”

This is the “despair” (from Michael Tomasky’s essay above) that will end us.

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@ Paul

‘ps. You still haven’t answered my question from the 2nd comment above.’

I’m not much of a Monday morning quarterback, nor have I researched or studied the history of this most historic of failures, but since you asked just off the top of my head…

I would have framed the language and only talked about single payer, universal heath care and refused to enter into any discussion of anything less. That’s what was promised, that’s what a clear majority wanted, it’s what most of the First World, and much of Second, enjoy. The bi-partisan nonsense was a big mistake. We already knew the Republicans, besides lip-serice had no genuine interest or intention in bi-partisanship.

I would have mounted a public information campaign to inform the nation what universal health care is, why it was the only option, what needed to be done to get it. I would have cast the message over and over and over again. I would have established and controlled the language used to discuss the issue. In the end it would have been unpatriotic to oppose single payer. Instead what we got was death panels, socialism and rationing. (Who won the battle over language?)

I would have described it as an extension of the medicare system which is popular, successful and familiar.

I NEVER would have negotiated behind the backs of the American people with pharmaceutical companies to keep prices high in exchange for support of a lesser system, nor would I have negotiated with insurance companies to modify practices like preexisting conditions. Let them keep their business practices and rise or fail as a consequence. With universal coverage under a Medicare model, they would have had to either modify their business model or reform.

I would have allowed private health insurance as an option for individuals, but used the Medicare system as the mechanism to include anyone who wanted or needed to part of it.

I would have had some spine. I would that threatened and stood firm against the Republicans. I would have told the American people that Republicans failing to support universal health care were unpatriotic and responsible for the premature death, disease and suffering of the American people. I would have called them out by name. Obama ended up being a ‘socialist’, ‘Hitler’, a bone-in-the nose African savage, a Kenyan-born Muslim. What’s would have been the downside of calling out a few heartless Republicans ‘heartless’?

I would have shut down non-essential government until the Republicans came around and supported what a majority of the American people wanted. (Have to think a bit more about how this could have worked.)

Obama and Democrats had enormous political capital at this point. They were both right and in a majority. The moment was squandered with wishy-washy bi-partisan, tread lightly, do not criticize, do not offend, let’s be good guys foolishness. Isn’t the point in defending your client (those that elected you) to win? To win, one does what’s necessary. The Democrats failed to win. IMHO.

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@Diogenes

I, too, can solve all of the world’s problems if I posit that I just need to create a successful public information campaign.

Can you describe the timeline and steps to “In the end it would have been unpatriotic to oppose single payer.”?

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Can you posit that despite being a charismatic speaker Obama and his administration are very poor communicating and slow to do so? Gulf Oil spill as just one pathetic example.

And, no I can’t construct a time line. I have things to do.

But you should, and you should spend lots of time doing it so that you can educate Democrats about the importance of both framing issues and objectives, deflecting the zany imbecilities and buffooneries from the menagerie of scoundrels that impede our progress.

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Here’s a section of a Eugene Robinson article (Wash Post, Sept 3) that casts the comments by Tom, Gordon, and Paul in a slightly different light. I guess it comes down to the old saying that you can vent OR you can get your way. As I’ve said before, I don’t really like Shuler but he is better than the alternative and I really don’t want to just hand the peculiar folks a victory – make’em work for it.

“According to polls, Americans are in a mood to hold their breath until they turn blue. Voters appear to be so fed up with the Democrats that they’re ready to toss them out in favor of the Republicans — for whom, according to those same polls, the nation has even greater contempt. This isn’t an “electoral wave,” it’s a temper tantrum.

It’s bad enough that the Democratic Party’s “favorable” rating has fallen to an abysmal 33 percent, according to a recent NBC-Wall Street Journal poll. It’s worse that the Republican Party’s favorability has plunged to just 24 percent. But incredibly, according to Gallup, registered voters say they intend to vote for Republicans over Democrats by an astounding 10-point margin. Respected analysts reckon that the GOP has a chance of gaining 45 to 60 seats in the House, which would bring Minority Leader John Boehner into the speaker’s office.”

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