Mar
21
Late House Vote Thread
ByRep. Shelley Moore Capito (R – WV) just kicked off Mixed Metaphorapalooza with a speech about blankets, cold winds and bad tailoring. (Sorry, no puppies.)
Earlier tonight, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) sounded like a legislator out of Mars Attacks:
For most of the 20th century people fled the ghosts of communist dictators. And now you are bringing the ghosts back into this chamber.
We’re on the brink of ushering in a “Socialist utopia.” (Don’t forget to check under your beds for Bolsheviks.)
I thought “utopia” was a good thing. Having a great time following the show on Twitter and Kos. Thanks so much for opening this thread.
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Now the GOP (Rep. Dave Camp) is quoting Heath Shuler to argue against the bill.
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I hope that Eric Cantor’s three children are diagnosed with leukemia and he loses his (estimated) $600,000 net worth due to rising Health Care costs. Maybe then he will drop the “I got mine” attitude.
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We’re waiting to hear from Anthony Weiner.
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A commenter on FiveThirtyEight.com says:
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Now now Jason, be nice.
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I hope I’m not the only one unimpressed with the GOP line about how the Democrats are forcing everyone to buy private insurance-as if this wasn’t Romneycare writ large.
There would be a kind of public option – a Medicare buy-in – if just one Republican in the Senate had decided to vote for cloture instead of leaving it up to Joe Lieberman. A few more Republican votes, and there’d be a public option on the exchanges. Just three Republicans crossing over in the House Energy and Commerce committee, and it might have been a Medicare + 5% public option.
Because they refused to believe they couldn’t kill this bill, they did nothing to relieve its worst effects. And because none of them would stand with the Democratic populists, the Democratic oligarchists got everything they wanted.
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“I hope that Eric Cantor’s three children are diagnosed with leukemia” Sounds “progressive” to me.
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Doug, I read somewhere that the GOP was even working to keep the worst effects in the bill.
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Tom, he seems to be quoting one of his own. If Heath would just go ahead and switch parties, it would make it a lot easier on me.
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blah blah blah Socialism! blah blah blah.
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The dire comments have been awesome. “The end of America”, etc, etc
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Yeah, well, Tom, when they vote against the reconciliation bill, they’ll be voting for the “Cornhusker Kickback.” Do we know how Shuler plans to vote on that one?
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From the same people who told you it was the end of America if they didn’t impeach Clinton for staining a blue dress.
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Boehner to GOP lawmakers: ‘Behave like grown-ups’ if healthcare bill is passed
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Yes we can!
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The hell you will… let the court challenges begin.
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the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
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If you’ll indulge me, I placed this earlier on a near-dead thread. It seemed a mite premature then:
Et tu, David Frum?
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Bring it. America is no longer under the thumb of the far right. We elected a new president. A smart one. A visionary one. Too centrist for me, but I am very proud nonetheless.
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The “anti” callers on C-SPAN are a freakin’ riot. “Obama will tell me when I can sleep!”
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Fortunately come election time we will have a new Congress too, unfortunately the ignorant electorate will elect Republicans again, but hey I love gridlock.
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Recon passes!
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I am toast and I am outta here.
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Am I seeing that Heath voted with Republicans (and big biz and insurance) on both votes?
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Me too. Mr. Shuler, congratulations, you will now go down on the wrong side of history. What a legacy.
Primary, primary, primary.
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Like it or lump it, NC-11 is a mostly Republican and right-leaning independent district. Shuler’s “no” vote will play well with his base. He’ll get re-elected.
PS: While you’re all celebrating the passage of this legislation, consider the limits to reproductive freedom that have been officially codified. Congress were more than happy to throw poor women under the bus in order to get this bill passed. This is not a victory; this is a giant leap backwards.
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You’re right, Tom B. Grain will be plentiful, and I, too, love borscht.
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When is Limbaugh’s going-away party? He’d better keep his promise.
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***Highlights of New IRS Authority***
IRS agents verify if you have “acceptable†health care
coverage
IRS has the authority to fine you up to $2,250 or 2 percent
of your income (whichever is greater) for failure to prove
that you have purchased “minimum essential coverageâ€
IRS can confiscate your tax refund
IRS audits are likely to increase
IRS will need up to $10 billion to administer the new health
care program this decade
IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional
auditors, agents and other employees to investigate and
collect billions in new taxes from Americans
Nearly half of all these new individual mandate taxes will
be paid by Americans earning less than 300 percent of
poverty ($66,150 for a family of four)
***SPECIAL EXEMPTION***
Democrats prohibit the IRS from imposing these taxes and
penalties on illegal immigrants
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/19/healthcare_facts_slideshow/slideshow.html
I found the above link at Salon.com extremely helpful. Actual, useful imagination. Not political masturbation. Imagine that. YMMV.
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F.I.R.E. sector + Government enforced subscription = Fascism
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Jim,
Links please!
Also – since my car insurance is mandatory, does that mean it’s been auto-fascism up to now?
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http://camp.house.gov/UploadedFiles/HC_Overhaul_Dangerously_Expands_IRS_Authority.PDF
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“Driving” is considered a “privilege”, you are not required to by insurance if you don’t drive, try again.
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And our culture doesn’t consider itself obliged to take you where you want to go, but are too cheap to buy a car or cough up bus fare for, either, try again.
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?????
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The C-span caller saying Obama would regulate our sleep next was classic.
So, anyone have info on the death panels? Do you need to apply somewhere or just hope to get appointed?
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South Boston Democrat Stephan F. Lynch said “This is a very good bill for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.”, while Howard Dean says <a href=">the bill was written by the insurance companies
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OOPS…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZZFwGXKPuA&feature=player_embedded
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First, Howard Dean does say that the bill was written by insurance companies. But apart from a 24-hour period just after the cave-in to Lieberman, he supported the passage of this bill.
And once again, I say, if any Republican wanted to free Americans from an obligation to pay insurance premiums to Cigna, they could have voted for cloture when the Senate bill still contained a Medicare buy-in. At the very least, the GOP could have offered an amendment to strip out the mandate in their motion to recommit. That they chose to use it for anti-abortion grandstanding speaks volumes.
The majority of Democrats in Congress, believing that it was important to extend access to health insurance (and hopefully, with decent regulation, to health care), agreed to pay the tribute demanded by the insurance companies. Most conservatives – including the Republicans in Congress – felt it was better to leave things as they are, a situation that still looks pretty good for the insurance companies.
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Do you think the two (sic) parties follow the same corporate/pro war/globalist agenda, partisan theatrics aside, because the take money from the same people to remain in power? (F.I.R.E.sector)
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they take money…
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Jim,
I do – though I believe there are exceptions, and that there is enough play in the system for ordinary people to make a difference.
At the same time, though, my feeling is that if there were no money in the system we would have had “socialized medicine” a lot sooner.
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