Late House Vote Thread


Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R – WV) just kicked off Mixed Metaphorapalooza with a speech about blankets, cold winds and bad tailoring. (Sorry, no puppies.)

Earlier tonight, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) sounded like a legislator out of Mars Attacks:

For most of the 20th century people fled the ghosts of communist dictators. And now you are bringing the ghosts back into this chamber.

We’re on the brink of ushering in a “Socialist utopia.” (Don’t forget to check under your beds for Bolsheviks.)


  1. randallt says:

    I thought “utopia” was a good thing. Having a great time following the show on Twitter and Kos. Thanks so much for opening this thread.

  2. Tom Sullivan says:

    Now the GOP (Rep. Dave Camp) is quoting Heath Shuler to argue against the bill.

  3. Jason Bugg says:

    I hope that Eric Cantor’s three children are diagnosed with leukemia and he loses his (estimated) $600,000 net worth due to rising Health Care costs. Maybe then he will drop the “I got mine” attitude.

  4. Tom Sullivan says:

    We’re waiting to hear from Anthony Weiner.

  5. Tom Sullivan says:

    A commenter on says:

    Here’s what I want…

    I want to see the entire Dem caucus pour a tub of Gatorade over Nancy Pelosi and then carry her around on their shoulders.

  6. randallt says:

    Now now Jason, be nice.

  7. Doug Gibson says:

    I hope I’m not the only one unimpressed with the GOP line about how the Democrats are forcing everyone to buy private insurance-as if this wasn’t Romneycare writ large.

    There would be a kind of public option – a Medicare buy-in – if just one Republican in the Senate had decided to vote for cloture instead of leaving it up to Joe Lieberman. A few more Republican votes, and there’d be a public option on the exchanges. Just three Republicans crossing over in the House Energy and Commerce committee, and it might have been a Medicare + 5% public option.

    Because they refused to believe they couldn’t kill this bill, they did nothing to relieve its worst effects. And because none of them would stand with the Democratic populists, the Democratic oligarchists got everything they wanted.

  8. Jim Reeves says:

    “I hope that Eric Cantor’s three children are diagnosed with leukemia” Sounds “progressive” to me.

  9. Tom Sullivan says:

    Doug, I read somewhere that the GOP was even working to keep the worst effects in the bill.

  10. randallt says:

    Tom, he seems to be quoting one of his own. If Heath would just go ahead and switch parties, it would make it a lot easier on me.

  11. shadmarsh says:

    blah blah blah Socialism! blah blah blah.

  12. randallt says:

    The dire comments have been awesome. “The end of America”, etc, etc

  13. Doug Gibson says:

    Yeah, well, Tom, when they vote against the reconciliation bill, they’ll be voting for the “Cornhusker Kickback.” Do we know how Shuler plans to vote on that one?

  14. Tom Sullivan says:

    From the same people who told you it was the end of America if they didn’t impeach Clinton for staining a blue dress.

  15. Jim Reeves says:

    The hell you will… let the court challenges begin.

  16. shadmarsh says:

    the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

  17. Tom Sullivan says:

    If you’ll indulge me, I placed this earlier on a near-dead thread. It seemed a mite premature then:

    Et tu, David Frum?

    I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

    So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

  18. randallt says:

    Bring it. America is no longer under the thumb of the far right. We elected a new president. A smart one. A visionary one. Too centrist for me, but I am very proud nonetheless.

  19. randallt says:

    The “anti” callers on C-SPAN are a freakin’ riot. “Obama will tell me when I can sleep!”

  20. Jim Reeves says:

    Fortunately come election time we will have a new Congress too, unfortunately the ignorant electorate will elect Republicans again, but hey I love gridlock.

  21. Tom Sullivan says:

    I am toast and I am outta here.

  22. randallt says:

    Am I seeing that Heath voted with Republicans (and big biz and insurance) on both votes?

  23. randallt says:

    Me too. Mr. Shuler, congratulations, you will now go down on the wrong side of history. What a legacy.
    Primary, primary, primary.

  24. Deus Ex Machina says:

    Like it or lump it, NC-11 is a mostly Republican and right-leaning independent district. Shuler’s “no” vote will play well with his base. He’ll get re-elected.

    PS: While you’re all celebrating the passage of this legislation, consider the limits to reproductive freedom that have been officially codified. Congress were more than happy to throw poor women under the bus in order to get this bill passed. This is not a victory; this is a giant leap backwards.

  25. Tom Buckner says:

    Мы действительно шагнул в этот раз, товарищи.

  26. Tom Buckner says:

    Проклятая переводов Интернет! То, что я хотел сказать: “Мы действительно активизировали (в нем) в это время, товарищи.

  27. Doug Gibson says:

    You’re right, Tom B. Grain will be plentiful, and I, too, love borscht.

  28. Мы не смогли победить вас силой оружия, так что мы проникли мысли лидеры вашей демократической партии. Барри является одним из наших лучших учеников. Хорошая работа, товарищи!

  29. Deus Ex Machina says:

    В движении сярприза, Барри посылает Robert Gibbs к солевым рудникам, нанимает Yakov Smirnoff как пресс секретарь. В советском Америка, пресс-конференция держит вас.

  30. Andrew says:

    When is Limbaugh’s going-away party? He’d better keep his promise.

  31. Jim Reeves says:

    ***Highlights of New IRS Authority***

    IRS agents verify if you have “acceptable” health care

    IRS has the authority to fine you up to $2,250 or 2 percent
    of your income (whichever is greater) for failure to prove
    that you have purchased “minimum essential coverage”

    IRS can confiscate your tax refund

    IRS audits are likely to increase

    IRS will need up to $10 billion to administer the new health
    care program this decade

    IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional
    auditors, agents and other employees to investigate and
    collect billions in new taxes from Americans

    Nearly half of all these new individual mandate taxes will
    be paid by Americans earning less than 300 percent of
    poverty ($66,150 for a family of four)


    Democrats prohibit the IRS from imposing these taxes and
    penalties on illegal immigrants

  32. Andrew says:

    I found the above link at extremely helpful. Actual, useful imagination. Not political masturbation. Imagine that. YMMV.

  33. Jim Reeves says:

    F.I.R.E. sector + Government enforced subscription = Fascism

  34. Gordon Smith says:


    Links please!

    Also – since my car insurance is mandatory, does that mean it’s been auto-fascism up to now?

  35. Jim Reeves says:

    “Driving” is considered a “privilege”, you are not required to by insurance if you don’t drive, try again.

  36. Doug Gibson says:

    And our culture doesn’t consider itself obliged to take you where you want to go, but are too cheap to buy a car or cough up bus fare for, either, try again.

  37. Jim Reeves says:


  38. Aaron Sarver says:

    The C-span caller saying Obama would regulate our sleep next was classic.

    So, anyone have info on the death panels? Do you need to apply somewhere or just hope to get appointed?

  39. Jim Reeves says:

    South Boston Democrat Stephan F. Lynch said “This is a very good bill for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.”, while Howard Dean says <a href=">the bill was written by the insurance companies

  40. Doug Gibson says:

    First, Howard Dean does say that the bill was written by insurance companies. But apart from a 24-hour period just after the cave-in to Lieberman, he supported the passage of this bill.

    And once again, I say, if any Republican wanted to free Americans from an obligation to pay insurance premiums to Cigna, they could have voted for cloture when the Senate bill still contained a Medicare buy-in. At the very least, the GOP could have offered an amendment to strip out the mandate in their motion to recommit. That they chose to use it for anti-abortion grandstanding speaks volumes.

    The majority of Democrats in Congress, believing that it was important to extend access to health insurance (and hopefully, with decent regulation, to health care), agreed to pay the tribute demanded by the insurance companies. Most conservatives – including the Republicans in Congress – felt it was better to leave things as they are, a situation that still looks pretty good for the insurance companies.

  41. Jim Reeves says:

    Do you think the two (sic) parties follow the same corporate/pro war/globalist agenda, partisan theatrics aside, because the take money from the same people to remain in power? (F.I.R.E.sector)

  42. Jim Reeves says:

    they take money…

  43. Doug Gibson says:


    I do – though I believe there are exceptions, and that there is enough play in the system for ordinary people to make a difference.

    At the same time, though, my feeling is that if there were no money in the system we would have had “socialized medicine” a lot sooner.