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	<title>Comments on: Asheville City Council Agenda 3.9.10</title>
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		<title>By: Barry Summers</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/03/05/asheville-city-council-agenda-3-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-40124</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - I don&#039;t believe so. The interviews, like most everything else Council does, is open to the public, but who has time to attend everything? Video records of all the important meetings can&#039;t be too hard to manage...

Yes, this looks like another of those &#039;oops&#039; moments. Oops, we screwed up on Greenlife, oops Staples, oops we sold parkland for condos, oops we moved the sightline 60 feet south on the Pack Square survey, so the Grove Park Inn can put up a bigger building, oops oops oops. The &#039;oops&#039; always seem to break the way of developers trying to get around some rules, and the &#039;oops&#039; are never righted in any significant way.

As the daughter of a former grand old hoary Council member said to me once, &quot;This is how we do business in Asheville. You&#039;d better get used to it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe so. The interviews, like most everything else Council does, is open to the public, but who has time to attend everything? Video records of all the important meetings can&#8217;t be too hard to manage&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, this looks like another of those &#8216;oops&#8217; moments. Oops, we screwed up on Greenlife, oops Staples, oops we sold parkland for condos, oops we moved the sightline 60 feet south on the Pack Square survey, so the Grove Park Inn can put up a bigger building, oops oops oops. The &#8216;oops&#8217; always seem to break the way of developers trying to get around some rules, and the &#8216;oops&#8217; are never righted in any significant way.</p>
<p>As the daughter of a former grand old hoary Council member said to me once, &#8220;This is how we do business in Asheville. You&#8217;d better get used to it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

I didn&#039;t know that the interview questions had come so close to the issue. I can&#039;t believe she didn&#039;t disclose more. Is there a transcript of the interview anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that the interview questions had come so close to the issue. I can&#8217;t believe she didn&#8217;t disclose more. Is there a transcript of the interview anywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, for me, the very least is that these Council members who voted for Holly Shriner should have to do so again, now that this conflict of interest has been made public.

I understand that during the interview, Brownie asked point-blank if she had any thoughts on Merrimon Ave. re-zoning. Apparently, she gave a vague, brief, and generic answer. What she should have said was:

â€œYes, my husband and I hired an attorney (from Councilwoman Manheimerâ€™s own firm, as it happens) to fight that re-zoning when it came up two years ago, because it would have impacted our massive development plans on Merrimon. And now, Iâ€™d like to have a seat on the very Commission that will hear that re-zoning request should it come up again, please.â€

She didn&#039;t say that. This goes beyond failing to disclose, and crosses well into withholding information under direct questioning, or even outright willful deception.

For Council to merely say, &quot;oops, we&#039;ll do better next time,&quot; is unacceptable to me, when the fix is so easy and appropriate. This is one of those deals where if you&#039;re not fixing it, one has to ask if you&#039;re instead helping them get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, for me, the very least is that these Council members who voted for Holly Shriner should have to do so again, now that this conflict of interest has been made public.</p>
<p>I understand that during the interview, Brownie asked point-blank if she had any thoughts on Merrimon Ave. re-zoning. Apparently, she gave a vague, brief, and generic answer. What she should have said was:</p>
<p>â€œYes, my husband and I hired an attorney (from Councilwoman Manheimerâ€™s own firm, as it happens) to fight that re-zoning when it came up two years ago, because it would have impacted our massive development plans on Merrimon. And now, Iâ€™d like to have a seat on the very Commission that will hear that re-zoning request should it come up again, please.â€</p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t say that. This goes beyond failing to disclose, and crosses well into withholding information under direct questioning, or even outright willful deception.</p>
<p>For Council to merely say, &#8220;oops, we&#8217;ll do better next time,&#8221; is unacceptable to me, when the fix is so easy and appropriate. This is one of those deals where if you&#8217;re not fixing it, one has to ask if you&#8217;re instead helping them get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least, one would hope that the council will develop some sort of standardized questionnaire.

And that the schedule for nomination and selection, the means by which interviews are granted, and the method by which the council makes its decisions will get set in stone and publicized widely.

This &quot;polling&quot; nonsense has got to go. And people need to be asked explicit questions about conflicts of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, one would hope that the council will develop some sort of standardized questionnaire.</p>
<p>And that the schedule for nomination and selection, the means by which interviews are granted, and the method by which the council makes its decisions will get set in stone and publicized widely.</p>
<p>This &#8220;polling&#8221; nonsense has got to go. And people need to be asked explicit questions about conflicts of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davyne:

No. First, I&#039;m not saying anything - that statement is from Cecil, not from me. Second, no, he&#039;s not saying anything about improper notice. This is about whether one candidate for P&amp;Z properly disclosed a serious conflict of interest, whether another was given full consideration for the seat, and whether the manner these appointments were voted on constituted a fair and open process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davyne:</p>
<p>No. First, I&#8217;m not saying anything &#8211; that statement is from Cecil, not from me. Second, no, he&#8217;s not saying anything about improper notice. This is about whether one candidate for P&amp;Z properly disclosed a serious conflict of interest, whether another was given full consideration for the seat, and whether the manner these appointments were voted on constituted a fair and open process.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Dial</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Dial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, you&#039;re saying the committee meeting was required to be properly announced and open to the public and was not?  If so, does a class action need to be done? 

About a year ago,  County had a zoning decision thrown out due to improper notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, you&#8217;re saying the committee meeting was required to be properly announced and open to the public and was not?  If so, does a class action need to be done? </p>
<p>About a year ago,  County had a zoning decision thrown out due to improper notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Alan, it wasn&#039;t due at this meeting. An implementation timeline will be presented at the worksession, and the final plan will come before Council sometime after summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Alan, it wasn&#8217;t due at this meeting. An implementation timeline will be presented at the worksession, and the final plan will come before Council sometime after summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecil will raise the issue of the recent appointments to the Planning and Zoning Commission tonight, during the Boards &amp; Commissions part of the agenda:


Upon reflection I am very uncomfortable with our recent appointments to Planning &amp; Zoning for four reasons. I stress that my concern is not primarily about the particular people chosen for P&amp;Z, but about failures in the process. Given the increased importance of P&amp;Z deliberations under the pending implementation of the Downtown Master Plan, I feel that it is particularly important that our appointments be made with full public scrutiny.

1. In 2009 the North Carolina General Assembly and Governor Perdue called for explicit adherence to state ethics and open meetings rules by every government body in the state, including boards and commissions.

2. The process through which we approved board appointments on February 23 seemed inconsistent with other appointments made during the same meeting. Whereas in earlier votes  we nominated, seconded, discussed and voted, for P&amp;Z we were abruptly polled with no nominations and no discussion. I feel like we failed to provide the public with any level of transparency about the reasons for our votes.

3. One person thus appointed to P&amp;Z failed to mention a significant potential conflict of interest, either in her application or during her interview.  I have learned from four other members of Council that they were unaware of this matter. While it is true that any Commission member must seek recusal from consideration of projects in which the member has an interest, and while such a conflict doesnâ€™t proscribe appointment to the Commission, the failure of disclosure doesnâ€™t square with our interest in accountability to citizens. 

4. It has come to my attention that one member of the Boards and Commissions Committee was unaware of the timely application for P&amp;Z of a highly qualified woman with a long history of civic participation in our community. How can we tell our constituents that every applicant was given consideration when at least one member of the committee which screened applicants was not made aware of a serious applicant? Failure to interview a highly qualified applicant constitutes a failure of accountability to the people of this community and disrespect for the people who are willing to volunteer their time in public service.

City Attorney Bob Oast has indicated to me that the only way to rescind our votes on Feb. 23 of which he is aware is to dissolve the Planning &amp; Zoning Commission and then re-form the Commission and make new appointments.

Therefore I move that Council dissolve Ashevilleâ€™s Planning &amp; Zoning Commission; create a new Planning &amp; Zoning Commission as required by North Carolina state law;  reappoint all Planning &amp; Zoning Commission members in good standing as of February 22, 2010; and reevaluate all timely applications as of that date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecil will raise the issue of the recent appointments to the Planning and Zoning Commission tonight, during the Boards &amp; Commissions part of the agenda:</p>
<p>Upon reflection I am very uncomfortable with our recent appointments to Planning &amp; Zoning for four reasons. I stress that my concern is not primarily about the particular people chosen for P&amp;Z, but about failures in the process. Given the increased importance of P&amp;Z deliberations under the pending implementation of the Downtown Master Plan, I feel that it is particularly important that our appointments be made with full public scrutiny.</p>
<p>1. In 2009 the North Carolina General Assembly and Governor Perdue called for explicit adherence to state ethics and open meetings rules by every government body in the state, including boards and commissions.</p>
<p>2. The process through which we approved board appointments on February 23 seemed inconsistent with other appointments made during the same meeting. Whereas in earlier votes  we nominated, seconded, discussed and voted, for P&amp;Z we were abruptly polled with no nominations and no discussion. I feel like we failed to provide the public with any level of transparency about the reasons for our votes.</p>
<p>3. One person thus appointed to P&amp;Z failed to mention a significant potential conflict of interest, either in her application or during her interview.  I have learned from four other members of Council that they were unaware of this matter. While it is true that any Commission member must seek recusal from consideration of projects in which the member has an interest, and while such a conflict doesnâ€™t proscribe appointment to the Commission, the failure of disclosure doesnâ€™t square with our interest in accountability to citizens. </p>
<p>4. It has come to my attention that one member of the Boards and Commissions Committee was unaware of the timely application for P&amp;Z of a highly qualified woman with a long history of civic participation in our community. How can we tell our constituents that every applicant was given consideration when at least one member of the committee which screened applicants was not made aware of a serious applicant? Failure to interview a highly qualified applicant constitutes a failure of accountability to the people of this community and disrespect for the people who are willing to volunteer their time in public service.</p>
<p>City Attorney Bob Oast has indicated to me that the only way to rescind our votes on Feb. 23 of which he is aware is to dissolve the Planning &amp; Zoning Commission and then re-form the Commission and make new appointments.</p>
<p>Therefore I move that Council dissolve Ashevilleâ€™s Planning &amp; Zoning Commission; create a new Planning &amp; Zoning Commission as required by North Carolina state law;  reappoint all Planning &amp; Zoning Commission members in good standing as of February 22, 2010; and reevaluate all timely applications as of that date.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annexation is a serious threat to urban values policies like same sex domestic partner benefits because new suburban voters in city election will probably oppose ssdpb.  So a vote for annexation is a vote against SSDPB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annexation is a serious threat to urban values policies like same sex domestic partner benefits because new suburban voters in city election will probably oppose ssdpb.  So a vote for annexation is a vote against SSDPB.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the staff report on same sex domestic partner benefits? Wasn&#039;t that due at this meeting??? Was it postponed? Did Bellamy keep it off the agenda again???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the staff report on same sex domestic partner benefits? Wasn&#8217;t that due at this meeting??? Was it postponed? Did Bellamy keep it off the agenda again???</p>
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