Comments on: Independents Day http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/24/independents-day/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Thu, 24 May 2012 01:07:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/24/independents-day/comment-page-1/#comment-39620 Jim Reeves Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:45:42 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11959#comment-39620 Like I was saying... http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/2-security-and-prosperity-partnership-militarized-nafta/ Like I was saying… http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/2-security-and-prosperity-partnership-militarized-nafta/

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/24/independents-day/comment-page-1/#comment-39610 Jim Reeves Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:33:57 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11959#comment-39610 There is nearly always only two choices presented to the potential voters through the media filter before the election. The third parties are invisible or are dismissed as "fringe" candidates who "can't win". The politically informed are either partisans who cannot be influenced, independents who know who they will not vote for and would like to support a third party but don't want to "waste" their vote, and those who will not vote for demopublicans no matter what. The uninformed don't know, don't care, or think "they are all crooks" They too can be partisans, vote based on others advice, vote a "protest" vote, or not vote. Unfortunately these folks seem to be the majority of the electorate, who don't vote strategically for the direction the country takes, only for their own (or their own immagined) interests. In many cases they can't name their representative, or which party holds office, so are unlikely to vote out an incumbent. That said I believe real change is going to be very difficult, with a large voter education component, outside of the traditional media, necessary for success. National sovereignty is constantly being eroded by globalism,regardless of administration, to the world's detriment. Time is short. There is nearly always only two choices presented to the potential voters through the media filter before the election. The third parties are invisible or are dismissed as “fringe” candidates who “can’t win”. The politically informed are either partisans who cannot be influenced, independents who know who they will not vote for and would like to support a third party but don’t want to “waste” their vote, and those who will not vote for demopublicans no matter what. The uninformed don’t know, don’t care, or think “they are all crooks” They too can be partisans, vote based on others advice, vote a “protest” vote, or not vote. Unfortunately these folks seem to be the majority of the electorate, who don’t vote strategically for the direction the country takes, only for their own (or their own immagined) interests. In many cases they can’t name their representative, or which party holds office, so are unlikely to vote out an incumbent. That said I believe real change is going to be very difficult, with a large voter education component, outside of the traditional media, necessary for success. National sovereignty is constantly being eroded by globalism,regardless of administration, to the world’s detriment. Time is short.

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]]> By: Tom Sullivan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/24/independents-day/comment-page-1/#comment-39609 Tom Sullivan Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:16:29 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11959#comment-39609 Maybe all the polling says is that independents aren't as numerous as "pure independents" wish they were – too few and not independent enough to affect the kinds of changes they long for. No one is looking over our shoulders in the voting booth and there's no distracting corporate money in there either. All people have to do is vote out the entire House and a third of the Senate twice in a row. That would send a potent message and change the whole dynamic. It's as easy as voting against the incumbents regardless of party – even the ones we like. Just twice. Just a little personal discipline. No laws or organizing required. If voters aren't independent enough to do that, then independent's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Maybe all the polling says is that independents aren’t as numerous as “pure independents” wish they were – too few and not independent enough to affect the kinds of changes they long for.

No one is looking over our shoulders in the voting booth and there’s no distracting corporate money in there either. All people have to do is vote out the entire House and a third of the Senate twice in a row. That would send a potent message and change the whole dynamic. It’s as easy as voting against the incumbents regardless of party – even the ones we like.

Just twice. Just a little personal discipline. No laws or organizing required. If voters aren’t independent enough to do that, then independent’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose.

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/24/independents-day/comment-page-1/#comment-39606 Jim Reeves Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:51:31 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11959#comment-39606 Ok, your telling us that people who think the government spends too much, taxes too much, and believe it has massively expanded beyond it's Constitutional limitations will not vote for the party that publicly and proudly advocates exactly that? What other wisdom do these oracles have to share?, they believe that after a brief interval of darkness there will be daylight again. The problem is the voting system favors the two(?)party monopoly. Third party efforts are at best a spoiler, giving the election to the party least wanted by the electorate,or at worst a "wasted vote" unless it can miraculously overcome media exclusion/bias and displace one of the two.Just the way the dominant parties like it.What we need is score voting, where any number of candidates running for an office are scored 1 to 10 with the highest scoring candidate winning. No primaries needed, no wasted votes, equal chance for all candidates and voters. Combine that with no campaign contributions from anyone not eligible to vote for the office,thus eliminating PAC,and corporate money, and money from out of the jurisdiction of the office campaigned for. Can't be worse than what we have now, unless you're an incumbent benefitting from the status quo. Ok, your telling us that people who think the government spends too much, taxes too much, and believe it has massively expanded beyond it’s Constitutional limitations will not vote for the party that publicly and proudly advocates exactly that? What other wisdom do these oracles have to share?, they believe that after a brief interval of darkness there will be daylight again. The problem is the voting system favors the two(?)party monopoly. Third party efforts are at best a spoiler, giving the election to the party least wanted by the electorate,or at worst a “wasted vote” unless it can miraculously overcome media exclusion/bias and displace one of the two.Just the way the dominant parties like it.What we need is score voting, where any number of candidates running for an office are scored 1 to 10 with the highest scoring candidate winning. No primaries needed, no wasted votes, equal chance for all candidates and voters. Combine that with no campaign contributions from anyone not eligible to vote for the office,thus eliminating PAC,and corporate money, and money from out of the jurisdiction of the office campaigned for. Can’t be worse than what we have now, unless you’re an incumbent benefitting from the status quo.

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