Comments on: Own It http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:41:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39269 Alan Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:44:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39269 All family benefits discriminate against single (and childless)people, but let's address this later after winning a symbolic victory for gays now, as Newman suggests. ll fmly bnfts dscrmnt gnst sngl (nd chldlss)ppl, bt lt’s ddrss ths ltr ftr wnnng symblc vctry fr gys nw, s Nwmn sggsts.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39224 Gordon Smith Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:15:03 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39224 Jim and claire, I understand your perspective on this, and I appreciate your willingness to communicate it so clearly and civilly here. The word in your descriptions that stands our for me is "choose". You get to choose. They don't. It's not a perfect solution, but it allows for the free exercise of choice where it's lacking now. The current that runs under this entire debate is the simple idea that humans ought to be able to access and afford health care. My guess is that we would all agree on that. Jim and claire,

I understand your perspective on this, and I appreciate your willingness to communicate it so clearly and civilly here. The word in your descriptions that stands our for me is “choose”. You get to choose. They don’t. It’s not a perfect solution, but it allows for the free exercise of choice where it’s lacking now.

The current that runs under this entire debate is the simple idea that humans ought to be able to access and afford health care. My guess is that we would all agree on that.

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]]> By: Jim Shura http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39223 Jim Shura Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:04:09 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39223 How are we going to define partners in this new century? I don't oppose the city giving benefits to anybody. My problem with this vote is that it discriminates against people who choose to keep their relationships secular. How are we going to define partners in this new century?

I don’t oppose the city giving benefits to anybody. My problem with this vote is that it discriminates against people who choose to keep their relationships secular.

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]]> By: claire r http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39222 claire r Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:02:16 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39222 not to speak for Jim (although I am his "unrecognized domestic partner" but, yes, i would say that I (we) oppose the city giving benefits to the "spouses" OR "domestic partners" of all city employees on the "same grounds". Why should "married" people get more benefits than singles, in any case. Wouldn't a single mom be more in need of such benfits than a "married" one? and why should the State decide, in any way, what is a "better" arrangement? I thought our Constitution had this whole thing about "separation of Church and State?"

not to speak for Jim (although I am his “unrecognized domestic partner” but, yes, i would say that I (we) oppose the city giving benefits to the “spouses” OR “domestic partners” of all city employees on the “same grounds”. Why should “married” people get more benefits than singles, in any case. Wouldn’t a single mom be more in need of such benfits than a “married” one? and why should the State decide, in any way, what is a “better” arrangement? I thought our Constitution had this whole thing about “separation of Church and State?”

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39183 Michael Muller Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:55:22 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39183 Jim, Do you oppose the city giving benefits to the spouses of married city employees on the same grounds? MM Jim,

Do you oppose the city giving benefits to the spouses of married city employees on the same grounds?

MM

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39176 Gordon Smith Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:01:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39176 You nailed it, Jim. This measure addresses NC's prohibition on same-sex marriage. It allows all people, regardless of sexual orientation, to have a path to benefits. Heterosexual couples have that path already, though some choose to remain unmarried. You nailed it, Jim. This measure addresses NC’s prohibition on same-sex marriage. It allows all people, regardless of sexual orientation, to have a path to benefits. Heterosexual couples have that path already, though some choose to remain unmarried.

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]]> By: Jim Shura http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39174 Jim Shura Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:58:34 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39174 I've been in an unmarried hetero relationship for 14 years and I definitely oppose this yes vote. If I worked for the city, I'd see this as simple discrimination against me and mine. This is an example you are trying to set for businesses here, and it's half-cocked. Just what is the rationale for excluding unmarried straight couples? That we can be married by the state? Gordon, Michael? I'm not trolling you. I’ve been in an unmarried hetero relationship for 14 years and I definitely oppose this yes vote. If I worked for the city, I’d see this as simple discrimination against me and mine. This is an example you are trying to set for businesses here, and it’s half-cocked.

Just what is the rationale for excluding unmarried straight couples? That we can be married by the state?

Gordon, Michael? I’m not trolling you.

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]]> By: Jenny Bowen http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39149 Jenny Bowen Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:26:14 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39149 To those who quote the bible: http://21.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvqo8b6iZh1qzo96eo1_500.jpg To those who quote the bible:

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39120 Michael Muller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:53:31 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39120 That's a shame. My partner Mike and I were really looking forward to his <i>yes</i> vote. And I know Bill's old friend Jim Cavener and <i>his</i> long-time partner Alan Robinson were too. Oh yeah, and Byron Greiner & his partner of 17 years, Doug Gall. And, well....y'all get the idea. Feel better Bill! That’s a shame.

My partner Mike and I were really looking forward to his yes vote. And I know Bill’s old friend Jim Cavener and his long-time partner Alan Robinson were too. Oh yeah, and Byron Greiner & his partner of 17 years, Doug Gall. And, well….y’all get the idea.

Feel better Bill!

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39114 Gordon Smith Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:51:59 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39114 Bill Russell just emailed Council to let us know that he's come down with strep throat and won't be able to attend tonight's meeting. His whole family has it. I hate that he won't be able to attend tonight, but I'd rather he keep his 102 degree fever at home. Feel better, Bill! Bill Russell just emailed Council to let us know that he’s come down with strep throat and won’t be able to attend tonight’s meeting. His whole family has it. I hate that he won’t be able to attend tonight, but I’d rather he keep his 102 degree fever at home.

Feel better, Bill!

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39110 Gordon Smith Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:03:36 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39110 No, Michael. No, Michael.

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39109 Michael Muller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:01:51 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39109 If the meeting goes long, could you ask the Mayor if we could break at 8pm for American Idol? Tonight's Ellen DeGeneres's first night as a judge. If the meeting goes long, could you ask the Mayor if we could break at 8pm for American Idol? Tonight’s Ellen DeGeneres’s first night as a judge.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39107 Gordon Smith Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:50:48 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39107 Yes, Lindsey. Yes, Lindsey.

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]]> By: Lindsey Simerly http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39106 Lindsey Simerly Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:43:39 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39106 Meeting still on if it snows? Meeting still on if it snows?

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39105 Michael Muller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:36:33 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39105 <a href="http://scrutinyhooligans.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ballfaced2.jpg" title="Ball Faced Lies!" rel="shadowbox" rel="nofollow">Ball Faced Lies!</a>! To have a peek inside Yelton's ball faced head, <a href="http://www.citizensspeak.com/" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.

Ball Faced Lies!!

To have a peek inside Yelton’s ball faced head, click here.

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39104 Michael Muller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:05:55 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39104 Thank you, Bruce! I'd imagine that the folks who disagree with us on this will be out in full force tonight. Let's get there early --- between 4 and 4:30 --- so we get the good seats ;) MM Thank you, Bruce!

I’d imagine that the folks who disagree with us on this will be out in full force tonight. Let’s get there early — between 4 and 4:30 — so we get the good seats ;)

MM

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]]> By: Bruce Mulkey http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39103 Bruce Mulkey Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:52:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39103 Thanks for this post, Michael. I plan to be at the City Council meeting tonight in support of same-sex domestic partner benefits for city employees.

Thanks for this post, Michael. I plan to be at the City Council meeting tonight in support of same-sex domestic partner benefits for city employees.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39102 Gordon Smith Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:50:00 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39102 Don called me a Wiccan once. He sent that piece of absurdism to the New York Times and Washington Post. Funny, but I must have missed it when it went to print. Don called me a Wiccan once. He sent that piece of absurdism to the New York Times and Washington Post. Funny, but I must have missed it when it went to print.

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39100 Michael Muller Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:38:07 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39100 Oh, I do Ralph. I do. :)

Oh, I do Ralph. I do. :)

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]]> By: Ralph Roberts http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/08/own-it/comment-page-1/#comment-39099 Ralph Roberts Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:29:35 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11494#comment-39099 Welcome to the club, Michael. Don's raved about me as well. I consider it a badge of honor. ;-)

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