Comments on: City Council Agenda – 2.9.10 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Thu, 24 May 2012 01:07:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Barry Summers http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39549 Barry Summers Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:10:12 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39549 Whr dd ll lns vwlls g? Whr dd ll lns vwlls g?

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39548 Jim Reeves Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:08:04 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39548 "Science" also <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/02/nazis-murder-of-jews-communists-and.html" rel="nofollow">funded</a> by the Rockefellers. “Science” also funded by the Rockefellers.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39048 Alan Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:28:39 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39048 Whr dd ll m vwlls g? Whr dd ll m vwlls g?

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39043 Jim Reeves Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:13:22 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39043 A little <a href="http://www.skepticfiles.org/books/nwo.htm" rel="nofollow">preview</a> of the type of writing in the book. I would also recommend <a href="http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/quig00.htm" rel="nofollow">"Tragedy and Hope"</a> by Dr. Carroll Quigley, written in 1966 by President Clinton's history professor at the Georgetown university foreign service school who himself was part of the globalists' network and agreed with their goal, his only complaint was they were too secretive his 1300 page book was suppressed at the time.

A little preview of the type of writing in the book. I would also recommend “Tragedy and Hope” by Dr. Carroll Quigley, written in 1966 by President Clinton’s history professor at the Georgetown university foreign service school who himself was part of the globalists’ network and agreed with their goal, his only complaint was they were too secretive his 1300 page book was suppressed at the time.

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39042 Jim Reeves Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:43:59 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39042 I didn't make up the links, they are from the organizations listed, funny how an agenda can be promoted/implemented world wide right out in the open if people would care to look, but still be dismissed as "conspiracy theory".Had you seen all the evidence from the globalists' own organizations, their own statements tht I have for the last 20 years since GHW Bush first repeatedly mentioned the "new world order" you would see the Wiki provided is essentially accurate, except for it being a "conspiracy theory".I would reccomend the book The Globalists by UNC-CH professor <a href="http://ednews.org/users/dennis-cuddy,-ph.d-1446.html" rel="nofollow">Dr. Dennis Cuddy PHD</a> a chronology of the world government movement by the principals' own statements and actions.

I didn’t make up the links, they are from the organizations listed, funny how an agenda can be promoted/implemented world wide right out in the open if people would care to look, but still be dismissed as “conspiracy theory”.Had you seen all the evidence from the globalists’ own organizations, their own statements tht I have for the last 20 years since GHW Bush first repeatedly mentioned the “new world order” you would see the Wiki provided is essentially accurate, except for it being a “conspiracy theory”.I would reccomend the book The Globalists by UNC-CH professor Dr. Dennis Cuddy PHD a chronology of the world government movement by the principals’ own statements and actions.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39039 Gordon Smith Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:13:30 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39039 Fun quote from the New World Order Wiki: <blockquote>"The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and put an end to international power struggles. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes"</blockquote>

Fun quote from the New World Order Wiki:

“The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and put an end to international power struggles. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes”

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39036 Alan Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:52:28 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39036 I wish Asheville would follow the Rockefeller agends because the Rockefellers founded the Population Council: http://www.popcouncil.org/ and funded the Kinsey Institute: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ wsh shvll wld fllw th Rckfllr gnds bcs th Rckfllrs fndd th Ppltn Cncl:
< hrf="http://www.ppcncl.rg/" rl="nfllw">http://www.ppcncl.rg/
nd fndd th Knsy nsttt:
< hrf="http://www.knsynsttt.rg/" rl="nfllw">http://www.knsynsttt.rg/

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39033 Jim Reeves Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:03:03 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39033 The "steps implemented" check marks were not transfered with the paste: Asheville, all but the last two are shown to have been accomplished, the Adelaide Au.agenda has been fully accomplished, The relevant Cap and Trade Bill section is 204 the"building energy performance labeling program" It's not "black helicopters" or "conspiracy theory" folks the U.N. world government agenda is being implemented through Federal, State, and Local government cooperation whether they know it or not. Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-39032 Jim Reeves Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:48:44 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-39032 Asheville is a member of the International Counsel for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) an organization Founded in 1990 by <a href="http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=global-about-iclei" rel="nofollow"> the United Nations</a> The organization promoting the discredited "global warming" scare tactics for their political empowerment, taking money from the "one worlder" <a href="http://www.icleiusa.org/about-iclei/funders" rel="nofollow"> Rockefeller</a> family. Asheville and Buncombe are collaborating on <a href="http://www.icleiusa.org/blog/archive/2010/02/02/strategies-for-successful-city-county-cooperation" rel="nofollow"> "consideration of a climate action plan" </a> or has this <blockquote> Steps implemented: Conducted a GHG emissions inventory Adopted an emissions reduction target(s) Developed a Local Action Plan Implemented policies and measures Monitored results>already been done?</blockquote> Will it include a <a href="http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/switched-on-energy-move/story-e6frfku0-1225827485044" rel="nofollow"> proposal like this</a> as included in the <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h2454eh.txt.pdf" rel="nofollow">Cap and Trade Bill</a>? from the (ICLEI) for Adelaide Australia: Steps implemented: Conducted a GHG emissions inventory Adopted an emissions reduction target(s) Developed a Local Action Plan Implemented policies and measures Monitored results Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38960 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:24:12 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38960 Walt, could you also post your letter here? scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/04/all-ears-4/ I would, but I am running out of turns today and am getting some flak. Starting with your BTW in the last Paragraph, I'm not sure what the city can do about all the tax exempt non profit owned property, much of which is not helping meet human needs, do you? On your suggestions, I agree with 1) and mostly with 2) and hiring homeless workers (3) would be fine with me but for additional benefits, not existing ones. Living wage standards presents a real delemma here as more pay each lets the city hire fewer workers, leaving more unemployed. I don't think that's lost on anyone. As for the cost of DPB's (way down at the bottom) there may be a 3% of benefits cost for the first 2 or 3 years, but as soon as the proportion of gay workers or residents increases, it wil SAVE big money on child benefits and childcare due to gays low FERTILITY RATE as shown here: http://www.ashevillenc.gov/WorkArea/showcontent.aspx?id=20350 -Alan On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:47:04 -0500 "Walt" writes: Mr. Smith, Thank you for your rapid, but irrelevant response. (You've learned quickly how to give a "politician's response".) My concern addresses the city's IMMEDIATE problem (meaning THIS year) of how to bring its budget into balance and you give me a laundry list of "solutions" or "situations" that will take YEARS to change I.e., annexation laws, tax distribution system, water rights issues, etc. You blame everyone else for the city's financial woes, except for the one true culprit: The City's grandiose spending plans. The problems of annexation, water, sales tax, commuters, state laws, etc., are NOT NEW. They've been that way for decades. What IS new is the way the city has been spending taxpayers dollars - like a drunken sailor (sorry, sailors). You really have it in for the county but that is misdirected blame - the county is just run much better and has more to offer. THAT's why people prefer to live outside the City of Asheville. (Remember, the city CHOSE to drop out of the water agreement, BEFORE it developed a "Plan B".) You apparently don't like the day-time growth that the city experiences and the "costs" incurred thereby, but you only cite one side of the picture (understandably). You don't account for the money brought INTO the city by those same people when they shop, eat, and attend for-profit functions that support the Civic Center, golf course, museum, etc. If the "terrible" out-of-towners stopped going to the Civic Center, for example, how long would it remain open? (I stopped going years ago because it's a 3rd-rate venue!) I am very concerned that the "solutions" you and your cronies come up with will reverse the flow and you will wind up with the hollow storefronts the city had in the '80's. Through shear stupidity, the city rejected a WalMart that now pours millions into the Weaverville Treasury. And the great majority of its jobs are held by residents of Buncombe and Madison counties. So now I no longer shop at the Asheville Mall, downtown, or even the east-side Walmart. I drive the extra miles to do my shopping outside the city. Before I close, and assuming you're still with me, let me make three more suggestions: (1) Sell the damn golf course; (2) suspend spending precious dollars on the "nice to have but not needed" greenways; and (3) when we have snowstorms, round up all the kind souls we've "saved" through our 10-year Homeless Plan, give them snowshovels, (or in nice weather, let them get rid of unwanted graffiti) and let them EARN their room-and-board! It truly pains me that there are only two intelligent people left on our City Council! I used to love the City of Asheville. No wonder it doesn't make any of the "Best Places...." lists any more. What is REALLY scary is that all of Council's votes seem to be unanimous (or at least those I've followed). By the way, do you know what percentage of ALL the land within the city is actually subject to being taxed? I do, and you would be shocked! Walter M. Plaue PS- I've just printed Gary's "A Financial Crossroad" and will read it ASAP. Which I assure you, will result in more e-mails from me. (Are you listening, Citizen-Times?) From: Gordon Smith Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:21 PM To: Walt Subject: Re: Budget Busters Thanks for writing, Mr. Plaue. I hope you've had the chance to review "Asheville 2010: A Financial Crossroads". We're in the unenviable position of having a budget imbalance that needs bigger fixes than folks may be used to. Follow this link to read this 11-page document - http://www.mountainx.com/files/Financial_Whitepaper_final.pdf Asheville's population grows by 40,000-45,000 per day due to folks coming into the city. These folks aren't paying property taxes to help with city services. Out-of-towners are part of over 50% of all traffic accidents that city police respond to, further straining resources. Asheville takes more calls for fire and emergency services per capita than any of the other 17 cities involved in the University of North Carolina School of Government’s Benchmarking Project (178 calls per 1,000 people compared to the next highest city, Charlotte, which has 126 calls per 1,000 people). On average, cities captured 53.33% of the population growth in the county. From 1950-2000, Asheville captured only 10.75% of the population growth in Buncombe County. This is due to our passive stance on annexation. The city of Asheville generates 75% of the total sales tax revenue in Buncombe County, but the city received only 28% of that money this year, the rest going towards County interests. We are constrained by the state regarding management of our own water resources. We are constrained by the state regarding management of our own occupancy tax revenues. In short, Mr. Plaue, Asheville is in a unique position. Maintaining our city's basic services is going to be a challenge unless something starts to give. I hope you'll consider contacting your County Commissioners and State Legislators in an effort to help Asheville become more financially stable. The budget considerations go beyond a Pay-Go approach to a structural imbalance that is unsustainable in the long run. Thank you for your concern and interest. I hope you'll read the Crossroads document and continue to offer your insights and opinions. Gordon Smith Asheville City Council From: Walt To: AshevilleNCCouncil@ashevillenc.gov Cc: Lette Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 6:43:06 PM Subject: Budget Busters I see few, if any, proposals in the Council's "wish List" that will not add to the city's budget. At the same time, I see no - zero - recommendations as to how these ideas will be paid for. Any idiot can - and apparently will - spend money (especially if it belongs to someone else) but it takes courage to accompany spending with saving, or at least, include the means to "pay the bills". Ergo, I would like to make a suggestion: ANY proposal brought to Council for a vote, that will ultimately COST dollars, be (mandatorily) accompanied by the means to pay for it, or provide offsetting CUTS in expenditures. For you "wise leaders", this is simply good government and COMMON SENSE (in very short supply around here). Before initiating NEW projects, plans, ideas, why not begin by figuring out how to cover the current $ 5,000,000 shortfall? Or are you too afraid to tackle the REAL problems (that resulted from your profligate overspending)? For example, before approving benefits for unmarried partners, has anyone figured out how much this will COST? Without debating the merits of unmarried partners, please use the brains you were given and tell the public what this idea will cost them (or whomever will bear the cost). Bottom line: No money, no benny! Walt Plaue

Wlt, cld y ls pst yr lttr hr?
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wld, bt m rnnng t f trns tdy nd m gttng sm flk.
Strtng wth yr BTW n th lst Prgrph, ’m nt sr wht th cty cn d bt ll th tx xmpt nn prft wnd prprty, mch f whch s nt hlpng mt hmn nds, d y?
n yr sggstns, gr wth 1) nd mstly wth 2) nd hrng hmlss wrkrs (3) wld b fn wth m bt fr ddtnl bnfts, nt xstng ns. Lvng wg stndrds prsnts rl dlmm hr s mr py ch lts th cty hr fwr wrkrs, lvng mr nmplyd. dn’t thnk tht’s lst n nyn.
s fr th cst f DPB’s (wy dwn t th bttm) thr my b 3% f bnfts cst fr th frst 2 r 3 yrs, bt s sn s th prprtn f gy wrkrs r rsdnts ncrss, t wl SV bg mny n chld bnfts nd chldcr d t gys lw FRTLTY RT s shwn hr:
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-ln

n Fr, 5 Fb 2010 15:47:04 -0500 “Wlt” wrts:
Mr. Smth,

Thnk y fr yr rpd, bt rrlvnt rspns. (Y’v lrnd qckly hw t gv “pltcn’s rspns”.) My cncrn ddrsss th cty’s MMDT prblm (mnng THS yr) f hw t brng ts bdgt nt blnc nd y gv m lndry lst f “sltns” r “sttns” tht wll tk YRS t chng .., nnxtn lws, tx dstrbtn systm, wtr rghts sss, tc. Y blm vryn ls fr th cty’s fnncl ws, xcpt fr th n tr clprt: Th Cty’s grnds spndng plns. Th prblms f nnxtn, wtr, sls tx, cmmtrs, stt lws, tc., r NT NW. Thy’v bn tht wy fr dcds. Wht S nw s th wy th cty hs bn spndng txpyrs dllrs – lk drnkn slr (srry, slrs). Y rlly hv t n fr th cnty bt tht s msdrctd blm – th cnty s jst rn mch bttr nd hs mr t ffr. THT’s why ppl prfr t lv tsd th Cty f shvll. (Rmmbr, th cty CHS t drp t f th wtr grmnt, BFR t dvlpd “Pln B”.) Y pprntly dn’t lk th dy-tm grwth tht th cty xprncs nd th “csts” ncrrd thrby, bt y nly ct n sd f th pctr (ndrstndbly). Y dn’t ccnt fr th mny brght NT th cty by ths sm ppl whn thy shp, t, nd ttnd fr-prft fnctns tht spprt th Cvc Cntr, glf crs, msm, tc. f th “trrbl” t-f-twnrs stppd gng t th Cvc Cntr, fr xmpl, hw lng wld t rmn pn? ( stppd gng yrs g bcs t’s 3rd-rt vn!) m vry cncrnd tht th “sltns” y nd yr crns cm p wth wll rvrs th flw nd y wll wnd p wth th hllw strfrnts th cty hd n th ’80′s. Thrgh shr stpdty, th cty rjctd WlMrt tht nw prs mllns nt th Wvrvll Trsry. nd th grt mjrty f ts jbs r hld by rsdnts f Bncmb nd Mdsn cnts. S nw n lngr shp t th shvll Mll, dwntwn, r vn th st-sd Wlmrt. drv th xtr mls t d my shppng tsd th cty.

Bfr cls, nd ssmng y’r stll wth m, lt m mk thr mr sggstns: (1) Sll th dmn glf crs; (2) sspnd spndng prcs dllrs n th “nc t hv bt nt ndd” grnwys; nd (3) whn w hv snwstrms, rnd p ll th knd sls w’v “svd” thrgh r 10-yr Hmlss Pln, gv thm snwshvls, (r n nc wthr, lt thm gt rd f nwntd grfft) nd lt thm RN thr rm-nd-brd!

t trly pns m tht thr r nly tw ntllgnt ppl lft n r Cty Cncl! sd t lv th Cty f shvll. N wndr t dsn’t mk ny f th “Bst Plcs….” lsts ny mr. Wht s RLLY scry s tht ll f Cncl’s vts sm t b nnms (r t lst ths ’v fllwd).

By th wy, d y knw wht prcntg f LL th lnd wthn th cty s ctlly sbjct t bng txd? d, nd y wld b shckd!

Wltr M. Pl

PS- ’v jst prntd Gry’s “ Fnncl Crssrd” nd wll rd t SP. Whch ssr y, wll rslt n mr -mls frm m. (r y lstnng, Ctzn-Tms?)

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T: Wlt
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Thnks fr wrtng, Mr. Pl. hp y’v hd th chnc t rvw “shvll 2010: Fnncl Crssrds”. W’r n th nnvbl pstn f hvng bdgt mblnc tht nds bggr fxs thn flks my b sd t. Fllw ths lnk t rd ths 11-pg dcmnt – < hrf="http://www.mntnx.cm/fls/Fnncl_Whtppr_fnl.pdf" rl="nfllw">http://www.mntnx.cm/fls/Fnncl_Whtppr_fnl.pdf

shvll’s ppltn grws by 40,000-45,000 pr dy d t flks cmng nt th cty. Ths flks rn’t pyng prprty txs t hlp wth cty srvcs.

t-f-twnrs r prt f vr 50% f ll trffc ccdnts tht cty plc rspnd t, frthr strnng rsrcs.

shvll tks mr clls fr fir nd mrgncy srvcs pr cpt thn ny f th thr 17 cts nvlvd n th nvrsty f Nrth Crln Schl f Gvrnmnt’s Bnchmrkng Prjct (178 clls pr 1,000 ppl cmprd t th nxt hghst cty, Chrltt, whch hs 126 clls pr 1,000 ppl).

n vrg, cts cptrd 53.33% f th ppltn grwth n th cnty. Frm 1950-2000, shvll cptrd nly 10.75% f th ppltn grwth n Bncmb Cnty. Ths s d t r pssv stnc n nnxtn.

Th cty f shvll gnrts 75% f th ttl sls tx rvn n Bncmb Cnty, bt th cty rcvd nly 28% f tht mny ths yr, th rst gng twrds Cnty ntrsts.

W r cnstrnd by th stt rgrdng mngmnt f r wn wtr rsrcs.

W r cnstrnd by th stt rgrdng mngmnt f r wn ccpncy tx rvns.

n shrt, Mr. Pl, shvll s n nq pstn. Mntnng r cty’s bsc srvcs s gng t b chllng nlss smthng strts t gv. hp y’ll cnsdr cntctng yr Cnty Cmmssnrs nd Stt Lgsltrs n n ffrt t hlp shvll bcm mr fnnclly stbl.

Th bdgt cnsdrtns g bynd Py-G pprch t strctrl mblnc tht s nsstnbl n th lng rn. Thnk y fr yr cncrn nd ntrst. hp y’ll rd th Crssrds dcmnt nd cntn t ffr yr nsghts nd pnns.

Grdn Smth
shvll Cty Cncl

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Cc: Ltt
Snt: Th, Fbrry 4, 2010 6:43:06 PM
Sbjct: Bdgt Bstrs

s fw, f ny, prpsls n th Cncl’s “wsh Lst” tht wll nt dd t th cty’s bdgt. t th sm tm, s n – zr – rcmmndtns s t hw ths ds wll b pd fr. ny dt cn – nd pprntly wll – spnd mny (spclly f t blngs t smn ls) bt t tks crg t ccmpny spndng wth svng, r t lst, ncld th mns t “py th blls”. rg, wld lk t mk sggstn: NY prpsl brght t Cncl fr vt, tht wll ltmtly CST dllrs, b (mndtrly) ccmpnd by th mns t py fr t, r prvd ffsttng CTS n xpndtrs. Fr y “ws ldrs”, ths s smply gd gvrnmnt nd CMMN SNS (n vry shrt spply rnd hr).

Bfr nttng NW prjcts, plns, ds, why nt bgn by fgrng t hw t cvr th crrnt $ 5,000,000 shrtfll? r r y t frd t tckl th RL prblms (tht rsltd frm yr prflgt vrspndng)?

Fr xmpl, bfr pprvng bnfts fr nmrrd prtnrs, hs nyn fgrd t hw mch ths wll CST? Wtht dbtng th mrts f nmrrd prtnrs, pls s th brns y wr gvn nd tll th pblc wht ths d wll cst thm (r whmvr wll br th cst). Bttm ln: N mny, n bnny!

Wlt Pl

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38958 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:15:04 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38958 I'll admit I should have consolidated my posts a bit more, but these are forwards from Councillor Brownie Newman and longtime activist Walter Plaue, that I got in mass E-mails: I also would have gone over to Mountain Express comments for a spell, but they seem to have crashed, and I've been banned from Cit-times comments for years. ------------------- Alan, I think you make a fair point here. However, I'd like for us to keep that issue seperate from the domestic partner policy. The point of the domestic partner policy is that LGBT employees should get the same benefit package as other employees, regardless of whatever those benefits happen to be. Aside from the domestic partner policy question, we will be reviewing our overall health care benefits policies this spring, so there will be opportunities to address this issue. Brownie On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:27 PM, <a> wrote: I do need to point out that although I am for Same Sex Domestic Partner Benefits, it does NOT, get us all the way to fairness. Gordon points out in his presentation that, "Many of our employees work equal time for unequal compensation" and that 70% of city employees do not make use of family benefits at all. I am single and childless and as such I would remain unable to access family benefits if I were to take a city job, regardless of whether this passes, because equal time for unequal compensation would persist regardless. So I really want to join Bill Russel in denouncing the unfairness of all family benefits and using the same funds to increase pay, which would be accessible to single people like me, and single gay people as well, which also includes most gay city employees. Both options remain unfair to employees without nuclear families and that needs to be acknowledged. -Alan Ditmore

’ll dmt shld hv cnsldtd my psts bt mr, bt ths r frwrds frm Cncllr Brwn Nwmn nd lngtm ctvst Wltr Pl, tht gt n mss -mls:
ls wld hv gn vr t Mntn xprss cmmnts fr spll, bt thy sm t hv crshd, nd ’v bn bnnd frm Ct-tms cmmnts fr yrs.
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ln,

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Bth ptns rmn nfr t mplys wtht nclr fmls nd
tht nds t b cknwldgd.
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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38951 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:53:12 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38951 The Clingman ave project is not worth that kind of money and may not be worth the impervious surface. Paving 4 different lanes in each direction for 4 different speeds. Parking, pedistians, bikes, cars. adds up to a lot of pavement. If the state leveraging depends on the spending then so be it, but a better way to establish bike routes is by increasing connectivity on residential streets, with less traffic where bikes can divert from the main arteries like Clingman and then share lanes with cars on side streets. There are several better ways to spend this money, like municipal environmental contraception.

Th Clngmn v prjct s nt wrth tht knd f mny nd my nt b wrth th mprvs srfc. Pvng 4 dffrnt lns n ch drctn fr 4 dffrnt spds. Prkng, pdstns, bks, crs. dds p t lt f pvmnt. f th stt lvrgng dpnds n th spndng thn s b t, bt bttr wy t stblsh bk rts s by ncrsng cnnctvty n rsdntl strts, wth lss trffc whr bks cn dvrt frm th mn rtrs lk Clngmn nd thn shr lns wth crs n sd strts.
Thr r svrl bttr wys t spnd ths mny, lk mncpl nvrnmntl cntrcptn.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38948 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:33:17 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38948 The AFFA Charleston link: http://www.ashevillenc.gov/WorkArea/showcontent.aspx?id=20350 on gay benefits cites Bill Bishop, who helped with Gordon's favorite "Creative Class" but wrote my favorite "Big Sort" http://www.thebigsort.com/maps.php Bishop was also fascinated with my website and big sort based local political strategy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/childfreetown/ The link, Posted by Gordon, also demonstrates the role of low fertility rates is helping the economies of gay freindly communities an arguement only it and I have so far made.

Th FF Chrlstn lnk:
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n gy bnfts cts Bll Bshp, wh hlpd wth Grdn’s fvrt “Crtv Clss” bt wrt my fvrt “Bg Srt”
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Bshp ws ls fscntd wth my wbst nd bg srt bsd lcl pltcl strtgy:
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Th lnk, Pstd by Grdn, ls dmnstrts th rl f lw frtlty rts s hlpng th cnms f gy frndly cmmnts n rgmnt nly t nd hv s fr md.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38943 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:19:57 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38943 Agenda Placement requirements: Requiring 3 councillors to override the mayor and place an item on the agenda is too high a hurdle. Two councillors should be able to do this, at least a limited number of times per year and with limited discussion time before calling a vote. Limiting discussion time in meeting becomes more viable in the presence of forums like this one, which allow unlimited discussion before a meeting. Also committee barriers reflect old councils too much and I hate to see good proposals get killed because Worley or Mumpower appointees don't like them.

gnd Plcmnt rqrmnts:
Rqrng 3 cncllrs t vrrd th myr nd plc n tm n th gnd s t hgh hrdl. Tw cncllrs shld b bl t d ths, t lst lmtd nmbr f tms pr yr nd wth lmtd dscssn tm bfr cllng vt. Lmtng dscssn tm n mtng bcms mr vbl n th prsnc f frms lk ths n, whch llw nlmtd dscssn bfr mtng.
ls cmmtt brrrs rflct ld cncls t mch nd ht t s gd prpsls gt klld bcs Wrly r Mmpwr ppnts dn’t lk thm.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38940 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:07:07 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38940 As to the Mayor's Committees, vetrans services are a purely federal responsibility and a peace supporting community needs to hold to that principal firmly. Many veterans are assisted through Asheville's efforts to help the homeless and that is, and should be, enough. Gang suppression people need to be fully aware that both the police and the sports teams ARE gangs by any rational definition. Gang suppression is a fundamental violation of the constitutional right to freedom of assembly.

s t th Myr’s Cmmtts, vtrns srvcs r prly fdrl rspnsblty nd pc spprtng cmmnty nds t hld t tht prncpl frmly. Mny vtrns r ssstd thrgh shvll’s ffrts t hlp th hmlss nd tht s, nd shld b, ngh.
Gng spprssn ppl nd t b flly wr tht bth th plc nd th sprts tms R gngs by ny rtnl dfntn. Gng spprssn s fndmntl vltn f th cnstttnl rght t frdm f ssmbly.

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]]> By: Alan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2010/02/05/city-council-agenda-2-9-10/comment-page-1/#comment-38939 Alan Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:51:22 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=11465#comment-38939 It is a major mistake to list the goals in the Stategic Operating Plan alphabetically. They MUST be listed in order of priority if they are to communicate priorities to city staff and voters. Remember that all of the goals cannot possibly be met so they must be traded off against each other and their relative prioities must be known in order to do this. I seriously doubt that the alphabetical ordering of the goals was coincidental. Actually though, if it was then good, I coincidentally like the aphabetical de facto prioritization of Affordable, Fiscally responsible, Green and sustainable, Job growth and Communtiy Development, and Safe. Remember, safety last.

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