Comments on: Cecil Nation Open Thread http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Wed, 23 May 2012 23:05:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37213 Michael Muller Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:43 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37213 You're right, Barry...but you leave an important factor out of your calculus. Many of our local right-wing wackos suffer from narcissistic personality disorder. Trust me on that, I know them well. It's not about what works or even what makes sense. It's about having an audience. This is just another stop on the crazy train. You’re right, Barry…but you leave an important factor out of your calculus. Many of our local right-wing wackos suffer from narcissistic personality disorder. Trust me on that, I know them well.

It’s not about what works or even what makes sense. It’s about having an audience. This is just another stop on the crazy train.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37193 barry Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:05:48 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37193 The idle threats are so we all jump and freak and get distracted. I plead guilty to over-reacting. If there IS any legal action filed, someone should immediately follow the money - it will almost certainly be paid for by the deepest racist groups or individuals in the South, is my prediction. It isn't just religious types up in arms - there are still people out there who don't recognize the authority of the US Constitution. They hope to re-ignite the Civil War. Like these business partners of H.K. Edgerton: http://barberandcompany.com/barber_store/view_details?department_id=10&item_id=17033 I suspect that even the most partisan dirtbags out there know it would be like pouring their own money down the latrine to file any sort of lawsuit, and they are probably aware of how much they would have even other conservatives turn on them if they tried. This is a lose-lose for anyone who files. Doesn't mean there aren't some people stupid enough. (* brought to you by Carl's Jr.). The idle threats are so we all jump and freak and get distracted. I plead guilty to over-reacting. If there IS any legal action filed, someone should immediately follow the money – it will almost certainly be paid for by the deepest racist groups or individuals in the South, is my prediction. It isn’t just religious types up in arms – there are still people out there who don’t recognize the authority of the US Constitution. They hope to re-ignite the Civil War. Like these business partners of H.K. Edgerton:

http://barberandcompany.com/barber_store/view_details?department_id=10&item_id=17033

I suspect that even the most partisan dirtbags out there know it would be like pouring their own money down the latrine to file any sort of lawsuit, and they are probably aware of how much they would have even other conservatives turn on them if they tried. This is a lose-lose for anyone who files. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some people stupid enough.

(* brought to you by Carl’s Jr.).

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]]> By: John http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37192 John Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:40:28 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37192 Is someone going to sue or not? I'm still waiting to see this happen. What's with the idle threats? Is someone going to sue or not? I’m still waiting to see this happen. What’s with the idle threats?

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37181 Michael Muller Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:09:46 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37181 I thought this was interesting --- it's taken from an email to Andrew Sullivan over at <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/" rel="nofollow">The Daily Dish</a> and provides some valuable cultural perspective on this whole church-state-atheism thing to those of us who didn't grow up in the deep south (or as a Southern Baptist): <blockquote>"I was raised Southern Baptist (still practicing, or at least doing my best) in a county that had only one red light (still probably only has about 10 or so). One thing that most people who are not from the South, simply cannot fully appreciate about many parts of the South, is just how deeply religion permeates the culture. I don't mean this in a bad way, it's just that, for many people who live in very rural, small towns, the church, and their church family, is..simply put... a deeply significant part of who these people ARE. There are no museums or opera houses, concert halls, or live theater in these small towns. Just one generation ago, there were no counselors; the local church provides ALL of these functions. The local church pastor IS the counselor many turn to. The Christmas play is the ONLY "theater" many of these people have ever seen, or care to. This past year's Easter pageant IS the concert outlet for them. Now this is not true everywhere in the South, you will find splendid museums in Nashville, and dozens of music and theater outlets in the megapolis of Atlanta, but small-town, rural areas that make up much of the South's countryside are definitely like this. This is why, criticizing or challenging one's religious beliefs in the South is tantamount to challenging their entire life and culture."</blockquote> When my partner Mike and I first moved to Asheville, we took my nephew over to the Fun Depot and I was taken aback by seeing the Ten Commandments inside up on a billboard. Not in a negative way (I am a practicing Christian) but I did think it odd coming from where I did -- New York, DC, and Florida -- where religion, culturally speaking, is a private matter and one's professed beliefs (or lack thereof) certainly do not figure in to one's qualification to hold public office. I thought this was interesting — it’s taken from an email to Andrew Sullivan over at The Daily Dish and provides some valuable cultural perspective on this whole church-state-atheism thing to those of us who didn’t grow up in the deep south (or as a Southern Baptist):

“I was raised Southern Baptist (still practicing, or at least doing my best) in a county that had only one red light (still probably only has about 10 or so). One thing that most people who are not from the South, simply cannot fully appreciate about many parts of the South, is just how deeply religion permeates the culture. I don’t mean this in a bad way, it’s just that, for many people who live in very rural, small towns, the church, and their church family, is..simply put… a deeply significant part of who these people ARE. There are no museums or opera houses, concert halls, or live theater in these small towns. Just one generation ago, there were no counselors; the local church provides ALL of these functions. The local church pastor IS the counselor many turn to. The Christmas play is the ONLY “theater” many of these people have ever seen, or care to. This past year’s Easter pageant IS the concert outlet for them. Now this is not true everywhere in the South, you will find splendid museums in Nashville, and dozens of music and theater outlets in the megapolis of Atlanta, but small-town, rural areas that make up much of the South’s countryside are definitely like this. This is why, criticizing or challenging one’s religious beliefs in the South is tantamount to challenging their entire life and culture.”

When my partner Mike and I first moved to Asheville, we took my nephew over to the Fun Depot and I was taken aback by seeing the Ten Commandments inside up on a billboard. Not in a negative way (I am a practicing Christian) but I did think it odd coming from where I did — New York, DC, and Florida — where religion, culturally speaking, is a private matter and one’s professed beliefs (or lack thereof) certainly do not figure in to one’s qualification to hold public office.

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37155 Michael Muller Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:24:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37155 I agree, Barry. He's kind of bossy. I have to admit, though --- it kind of turns me on. I agree, Barry. He’s kind of bossy. I have to admit, though — it kind of turns me on.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37151 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:50:56 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37151 Wow - Hello, Daddy. Wow – Hello, Daddy.

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]]> By: The Watcher http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37148 The Watcher Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:11:56 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37148 Tom- please stop bringing up the Bobby Medford thing. It is tiresome and irrelevant. The "Bothwell Bunch" constant mentioning it only underscores the fact that you have nothing else to talk about except that Cecil thinks he is smarter than everyone else. And Michael Muller- reproducing the lyrics to the theme song for "All in the Family" was pointless and silly. You mistakenly thought it was clever. Tom- please stop bringing up the Bobby Medford thing. It is tiresome and irrelevant. The “Bothwell Bunch” constant mentioning it only underscores the fact that you have nothing else to talk about except that Cecil thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

And Michael Muller- reproducing the lyrics to the theme song for “All in the Family” was pointless and silly. You mistakenly thought it was clever.

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]]> By: Michael Muller http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37138 Michael Muller Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:38:22 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37138 I was disappointed that Rachel Maddow didn't open the segment with Don Yelton & H.K. Edgerton sitting side-by-side at the piano singing <i>Those Were The Days:</i> <blockquote>Boy, the way Glen Miller played. Songs that made the hit parade. Guys like us, we had it made. <i>Those were the days.</i> Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight. Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. <i>Those were the days.</i> And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men. Mister, we could use a man like George Wallace again. People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent. Freaks were in a circus tent. <i>Those were the days.</i> Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Tourists win. Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin. Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song. I don't know just what went wrong. <i>Those were the days...</i></blockquote> My apologies to Jean Stapleton. Lyrics (most of them anyway) by Lee Adams and Charles Strouse. I was disappointed that Rachel Maddow didn’t open the segment with Don Yelton & H.K. Edgerton sitting side-by-side at the piano singing Those Were The Days:

Boy, the way Glen Miller played. Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.

Didn’t need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.

And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like George Wallace again.

People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.

Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Tourists win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.

Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don’t know just what went wrong. Those were the days…

My apologies to Jean Stapleton. Lyrics (most of them anyway) by Lee Adams and Charles Strouse.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37137 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:22:54 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37137 To be honest, I'm relieved. They focused on the legal bottom line, which is that there is no legal case here, and the people trying to pretend there is are just wrong. Nothing against Cecil for wanting to set the record straight, but I'm glad they weren't able to put him on. Let's let this issue die & go back to work. To be honest, I’m relieved. They focused on the legal bottom line, which is that there is no legal case here, and the people trying to pretend there is are just wrong. Nothing against Cecil for wanting to set the record straight, but I’m glad they weren’t able to put him on. Let’s let this issue die & go back to work.

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]]> By: Tom Sullivan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37135 Tom Sullivan Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:45:01 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37135 What a disappointment. Cecil is a longtime investigative reporter and author who helped put our former sheriff behind bars in a federal prison. No one else was better suited to tell his story, yet after a big buildup MSNBC put on a personality-less attorney instead. What a disappointment. Cecil is a longtime investigative reporter and author who helped put our former sheriff behind bars in a federal prison. No one else was better suited to tell his story, yet after a big buildup MSNBC put on a personality-less attorney instead.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37133 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:01:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37133 But hey - nice quick shot of Gordon over Terry Bellamy's shoulder. But hey – nice quick shot of Gordon over Terry Bellamy’s shoulder.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37132 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:57:47 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37132 Apparently they couldn't get a satellite truck to Asheville soon enough to get Cecil on MSNBC last night, but Rachel Maddow did interview the legal director of the NC ACLU. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34424043 My favorite moment came when she felt she had to point out that "The City Attorney's office over there in Asheville, there's some smart people over there, and they know the law." Like, America had to be reassured that we're not ALL the cast of "Idiocracy" out here in Asheville... Thanks Matt, Chad, H.K., and David Morgan. Thanks a lot. Apparently they couldn’t get a satellite truck to Asheville soon enough to get Cecil on MSNBC last night, but Rachel Maddow did interview the legal director of the NC ACLU.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34424043

My favorite moment came when she felt she had to point out that

“The City Attorney’s office over there in Asheville, there’s some smart people over there, and they know the law.”

Like, America had to be reassured that we’re not ALL the cast of “Idiocracy” out here in Asheville…

Thanks Matt, Chad, H.K., and David Morgan. Thanks a lot.

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]]> By: John L Robinson http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37124 John L Robinson Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:23:33 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37124 Don't forget his appearance on "The Asheville Discussion" on URTV. Don’t forget his appearance on “The Asheville Discussion” on URTV.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37120 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:42:13 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37120 Hey, don't quit, Anonymous Admin Avatar. I gave you a "Thumbs Up!" Hey, don’t quit, Anonymous Admin Avatar. I gave you a “Thumbs Up!”

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]]> By: Admin Hooligan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37119 Admin Hooligan Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:28:36 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37119 I quit.

I quit.

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37118 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:25:26 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37118 Hey - I've just learned that my TV doesn't float. Is that good or evil? Hey – I’ve just learned that my TV doesn’t float. Is that good or evil?

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]]> By: Ralph Roberts http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37116 Ralph Roberts Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:16:13 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37116 Cecil has a lot to be thankful for. Why... it's almost enough to give a man religion, huh? Ccl hs lt t b thnkfl fr.

Why… t’s lmst ngh t gv mn rlgn, hh?

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]]> By: shadmarsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37115 shadmarsh Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:36:59 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37115 people made of wood should not be allowed on the TV! people made of wood should not be allowed on the TV!

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]]> By: barry http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37113 barry Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:16:05 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37113 It's a fair cop. It’s a fair cop.

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]]> By: Tom Sullivan http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/12/14/cecil-nation-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-37112 Tom Sullivan Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:12:14 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=10196#comment-37112 Is he <a href="http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_sounds/hg/witch.wav" rel="nofollow">made of wood</a> that weighs as much as a duck? Is he made of wood that weighs as much as a duck?

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