Comments on: 72% Want a Public Option http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Wed, 23 May 2012 15:01:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jim Reeves http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31531 Jim Reeves Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:50:47 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31531 I doubt the large insurers will be left out of the "public" plan just as the "solution" to the banking crisis bailed out the same folks who created the problem and the solution and proposes giving MORE power to the Federal Reserve (sic) owned by some of these same folks. Expect the AMA monopoly to give us more of the same cut,burn,irradiate and poison with the latest pharmaceutical wonder drug that has made the American health care industry so profitable (and DEADLY) I can see how the focus will be by the push for CODEX ALIMENTARIUS in the latest food "safety" bills being proposed making natural dietary supplicants regulated as drugs and ILLEGAL without expensive testing even when they have been used for centuries, again giving more power to the folks who approved NUTRASWEET and various deadly drugs knowing the damaging effects. I doubt the large insurers will be left out of the “public” plan just as the “solution” to the banking crisis bailed out the same folks who created the problem and the solution and proposes giving MORE power to the Federal Reserve (sic) owned by some of these same folks. Expect the AMA monopoly to give us more of the same cut,burn,irradiate and poison with the latest pharmaceutical wonder drug that has made the American health care industry so profitable (and DEADLY) I can see how the focus will be by the push for CODEX ALIMENTARIUS in the latest food “safety” bills being proposed making natural dietary supplicants regulated as drugs and ILLEGAL without expensive testing even when they have been used for centuries, again giving more power to the folks who approved NUTRASWEET and various deadly drugs knowing the damaging effects.

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]]> By: Paul C http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31492 Paul C Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:37:16 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31492 Update on the Health Care rally this Sat Jun 27 10am Pritchard Park... We have confirmed speakers Mayor Terry Bellamy, Dr. Richard Walton, ret UNCA prof (and maybe his wife, ret RN Sue Walton), Dr Errington Thompson, Leslie Boyd (her son died to mismanaged care and insurance difficulties) and others. We're also getting a petition signed to present to Congressman Shuler later that afternoon. Sign our petition at our WNC for Change Health Care office inside Mtn Java Coffeeshop on Merrimon. M-Sat, 2-8pm. more info: wncforchange.com Update on the Health Care rally this Sat Jun 27 10am Pritchard Park…

We have confirmed speakers Mayor Terry Bellamy, Dr. Richard Walton, ret UNCA prof (and maybe his wife, ret RN Sue Walton), Dr Errington Thompson, Leslie Boyd (her son died to mismanaged care and insurance difficulties) and others.

We’re also getting a petition signed to present to Congressman Shuler later that afternoon.

Sign our petition at our WNC for Change Health Care office inside Mtn Java Coffeeshop on Merrimon. M-Sat, 2-8pm.

more info: wncforchange.com

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31484 Gordon Smith Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:41:48 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31484 Thanks for your comment, Brian. You'll notice the post is simply a link to an interesting poll. That sort of thing happens at this blog. If you're not finding what you like at this blog, you're welcome to peruse the many millions of other blogs in the world. Thanks for your comment, Brian. You’ll notice the post is simply a link to an interesting poll. That sort of thing happens at this blog. If you’re not finding what you like at this blog, you’re welcome to peruse the many millions of other blogs in the world.

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]]> By: Brian Umbarger http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31483 Brian Umbarger Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:49:59 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31483 Gordon, your story is a fine example of argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right. For example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong! Perhaps your next blog article could discuss the actual issues associated with publicly funded health care. Gordon, your story is a fine example of argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it’s true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn’t necessarily make it true or right. For example: “At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions.” Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!

Perhaps your next blog article could discuss the actual issues associated with publicly funded health care.

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]]> By: cecil bothwell http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31482 cecil bothwell Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:41:13 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31482 Looks like we're having a (progressive) candidates forum here. Gordon's reference to "Bruce" is a ref to a troll comment which has since been excised. In opinion polls done for at least a couple of decades people have favored universal, government-based health insurance. It is an astonishing tribute to the power of big Pharma that our elected officials still manage to resist public will. "Money, it's a hit ..." Looks like we’re having a (progressive) candidates forum here.

Gordon’s reference to “Bruce” is a ref to a troll comment which has since been excised.

In opinion polls done for at least a couple of decades people have favored universal, government-based health insurance. It is an astonishing tribute to the power of big Pharma that our elected officials still manage to resist public will.

“Money, it’s a hit …”

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]]> By: Jenny Bowen http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31476 Jenny Bowen Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:57:24 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31476 Next Sat @ 10am there will be a protest for Health Care options in Pritchard Park. (at 5pm in the same location there will be a rally for equal gender rights with the annual Stonewall rally) Next Sat @ 10am there will be a protest for Health Care options in Pritchard Park.

(at 5pm in the same location there will be a rally for equal gender rights with the annual Stonewall rally)

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2009/06/21/72-want-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-31462 Gordon Smith Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:29:15 +0000 http://scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=8382#comment-31462 It's obviously possible to have a public option. The question is whether our political leaders will have the cajones and the vision to create a system that will take some of the power away from insurance conglomerates. The current system is quite broken, and a public option will force the private sector to provide superior service in order to maintain customers. Win - win. The uninsured and underinsured and poorly insured have a viable choice while the happily insured can stick with their private plan. I've never pegged you for a pessimist, Bruce. It’s obviously possible to have a public option. The question is whether our political leaders will have the cajones and the vision to create a system that will take some of the power away from insurance conglomerates. The current system is quite broken, and a public option will force the private sector to provide superior service in order to maintain customers. Win – win. The uninsured and underinsured and poorly insured have a viable choice while the happily insured can stick with their private plan.

I’ve never pegged you for a pessimist, Bruce.

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