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		<title>By: Tom Buckner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall, I think, in the final analysis, the far right (in the US) are merely an alliance of society&#039;s sociopaths against the rest of us. Seen this way, skin color doesn&#039;t matter to the inner circle; sociopaths of different ethnicity are more like each other than they are like the majority. They are a minority unto themselves. Mental health professionals will tell you sociopaths constitute somewhere between 1 and 4 per cent of the general population. Most of them are far right here because that&#039;s where the power is; in North Korea they would be Communists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, I think, in the final analysis, the far right (in the US) are merely an alliance of society&#8217;s sociopaths against the rest of us. Seen this way, skin color doesn&#8217;t matter to the inner circle; sociopaths of different ethnicity are more like each other than they are like the majority. They are a minority unto themselves. Mental health professionals will tell you sociopaths constitute somewhere between 1 and 4 per cent of the general population. Most of them are far right here because that&#8217;s where the power is; in North Korea they would be Communists.</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 02:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that illuminating post Tom, there is much to chew on there. Riddle me this: If the far right is willing to accept the caucasianly challenged into the inner circle as long as they fit the bill, are there any checks or quotas in their formula that restrict enrollment or are they just not that worried because they figure the numbers will always be on their side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that illuminating post Tom, there is much to chew on there. Riddle me this: If the far right is willing to accept the caucasianly challenged into the inner circle as long as they fit the bill, are there any checks or quotas in their formula that restrict enrollment or are they just not that worried because they figure the numbers will always be on their side?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Buckner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve come to think that the GOP far right is only tactically racist, while strategically classist. That is to say, the far right is no longer simply racist (it&#039;s not the &#039;50&#039;s anymore) but behaves in a racist fashion where the racism supports classism (New Orleans, for example). The underclass is still somewhat more non-white than the middle and upper classes, so classism often aligns with racism; but the far right will now accept any ethnicity in their inner circle as long as the Black/Hispanic/Eskimo/etc. individual is rich enough and Machiavellian enough to be a good fit.

It&#039;s useful to remember there are other dualities in politics other than right/left. A very, very important one is open/closed. The open/closed spectrum explains handily why liberalism is, in certain ways, the direct opposite of far-right monarchism/nationalism/fascism as well as far-left communist dictatorships. The liberal polity is ideally completely open where the dictatorships of right and left are closed.

Liberalism at its best has few secrets, many avenues for the will of the individual and the many alike, freedom of speech, thought, movement and association, democratic decision-making and decentralization of power. The liberal society is open in every way its citizens can make it.

Closed societies of the right and left have many secrets, and much is centralized and monopolized. The few, whether because they are rich or Party members, favorites of the king, or leaders of the church, have most of the control in a closed society. The few will tend to hold monopolies in all things: money, land, speech in the media, freedom to travel, control of the army, and even decent food and water. In open societies taxes tend to be spent on the welfare of the many; in closed societies taxes are levied on the many to fill the coffers of the few.

Look at the United States and ask yourself this: did our nation become more open or closed under the GOP? Did it become more open or closed ten days ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve come to think that the GOP far right is only tactically racist, while strategically classist. That is to say, the far right is no longer simply racist (it&#8217;s not the &#8217;50&#8242;s anymore) but behaves in a racist fashion where the racism supports classism (New Orleans, for example). The underclass is still somewhat more non-white than the middle and upper classes, so classism often aligns with racism; but the far right will now accept any ethnicity in their inner circle as long as the Black/Hispanic/Eskimo/etc. individual is rich enough and Machiavellian enough to be a good fit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s useful to remember there are other dualities in politics other than right/left. A very, very important one is open/closed. The open/closed spectrum explains handily why liberalism is, in certain ways, the direct opposite of far-right monarchism/nationalism/fascism as well as far-left communist dictatorships. The liberal polity is ideally completely open where the dictatorships of right and left are closed.</p>
<p>Liberalism at its best has few secrets, many avenues for the will of the individual and the many alike, freedom of speech, thought, movement and association, democratic decision-making and decentralization of power. The liberal society is open in every way its citizens can make it.</p>
<p>Closed societies of the right and left have many secrets, and much is centralized and monopolized. The few, whether because they are rich or Party members, favorites of the king, or leaders of the church, have most of the control in a closed society. The few will tend to hold monopolies in all things: money, land, speech in the media, freedom to travel, control of the army, and even decent food and water. In open societies taxes tend to be spent on the welfare of the many; in closed societies taxes are levied on the many to fill the coffers of the few.</p>
<p>Look at the United States and ask yourself this: did our nation become more open or closed under the GOP? Did it become more open or closed ten days ago?</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning bob, hope this lovely day is treating you well. I thought it was an interesting piece, sorry you disliked it so much.

I thought we were getting somewhere. So I&#039;ll recap. I think the right wing of the political spectrum is grounded in racism and hate. That&#039;s all I was trying to say, sorry if you find that uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning bob, hope this lovely day is treating you well. I thought it was an interesting piece, sorry you disliked it so much.</p>
<p>I thought we were getting somewhere. So I&#8217;ll recap. I think the right wing of the political spectrum is grounded in racism and hate. That&#8217;s all I was trying to say, sorry if you find that uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: bobaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an extraordinary twisting of words and usage of non-facts that article was. You really should be embarrassed you even used that. I haven&#039;t seen such presumption and vitriol since the last time I read Media Matters. 
So, Juan Williams and Michael Steele = Uncle Tom. Got it. 

They don&#039;t like him because of liberal policies (some of which I agree with, but I digress), not because he&#039;s black. 

Become what you hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an extraordinary twisting of words and usage of non-facts that article was. You really should be embarrassed you even used that. I haven&#8217;t seen such presumption and vitriol since the last time I read Media Matters.<br />
So, Juan Williams and Michael Steele = Uncle Tom. Got it. </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t like him because of liberal policies (some of which I agree with, but I digress), not because he&#8217;s black. </p>
<p>Become what you hate.</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, that&#039;s not silly, I do believe the right is racist and extreme. I&#039;m just not sure their racism trumps their extremism, but that is neither here or there. So yeah, I&#039;ll bite, they hate him because he is black. That&#039;s who they are. You don&#039;t think Rush is a racist?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alternet.org/story/123574/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting piece from yesterday that ties the two concepts together nicely and blames Fox/NPR&#039;s Juan Williams for much of the pandering. I couldn&#039;t agree more, in fact, as I&#039;ve said here before, Mr. Williams is one of the right&#039;s greatest propagandists. Skilled, smooth and dangerous, the man is a master of lies and twisting the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, that&#8217;s not silly, I do believe the right is racist and extreme. I&#8217;m just not sure their racism trumps their extremism, but that is neither here or there. So yeah, I&#8217;ll bite, they hate him because he is black. That&#8217;s who they are. You don&#8217;t think Rush is a racist?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/123574/" rel="nofollow"> Here</a> is an interesting piece from yesterday that ties the two concepts together nicely and blames Fox/NPR&#8217;s Juan Williams for much of the pandering. I couldn&#8217;t agree more, in fact, as I&#8217;ve said here before, Mr. Williams is one of the right&#8217;s greatest propagandists. Skilled, smooth and dangerous, the man is a master of lies and twisting the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider is how Shuler perceived public opinion in this district. Apparently calls to congressional offices are running &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11240&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;almost 100% against&lt;/a&gt; the stimulus bill.

Folks reading this who are unhappy with Shuler&#039;s vote might want to call his office to let him know. I just got off the phone with one of his staffers who estimated that calls to his office were running roughly 75% in opposition. The bill will probably have to be voted on again once it comes out of conference, so there&#039;s time to ask the congressman to change his position.

Heath Shuler&#039;s DC office: (202) 225-6401. Congressional switchboard: (800) 828-0498.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider is how Shuler perceived public opinion in this district. Apparently calls to congressional offices are running <a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11240" rel="nofollow">almost 100% against</a> the stimulus bill.</p>
<p>Folks reading this who are unhappy with Shuler&#8217;s vote might want to call his office to let him know. I just got off the phone with one of his staffers who estimated that calls to his office were running roughly 75% in opposition. The bill will probably have to be voted on again once it comes out of conference, so there&#8217;s time to ask the congressman to change his position.</p>
<p>Heath Shuler&#8217;s DC office: (202) 225-6401. Congressional switchboard: (800) 828-0498.</p>
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		<title>By: bobaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I must have misunderstood this. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;it let mainstream Americans know that the gloves are off when addressing the reality of the &lt;b&gt;racist based&lt;/b&gt; hate mongering that he and his Fox News ilk specialize in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Silly me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I must have misunderstood this. </p>
<blockquote><p>it let mainstream Americans know that the gloves are off when addressing the reality of the <b>racist based</b> hate mongering that he and his Fox News ilk specialize in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Silly me.</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Ken. I caught up on late bills. No jobs there. In fact, they may have had to lay off that lady that kept calling me twice a day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Ken. I caught up on late bills. No jobs there. In fact, they may have had to lay off that lady that kept calling me twice a day!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This plan seems preferable to a plan whereby the government mails everybody a check for $500 (or any similar amount).  

When the government sent me my Bush check, I wondered:  when a family goes and spends the money on clothes, does the clothing store hire more workers as a result?  No.  Well, the family might buy a TV.  Does Best Buy hire more workers?  No.  A set of tires might go on the car.  Does the tire store boss have to hire another man?  No.  

There maybe is a small increase in retail activity for a little while, but stores aren&#039;t going to hire workers because there are government checks headed our way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This plan seems preferable to a plan whereby the government mails everybody a check for $500 (or any similar amount).  </p>
<p>When the government sent me my Bush check, I wondered:  when a family goes and spends the money on clothes, does the clothing store hire more workers as a result?  No.  Well, the family might buy a TV.  Does Best Buy hire more workers?  No.  A set of tires might go on the car.  Does the tire store boss have to hire another man?  No.  </p>
<p>There maybe is a small increase in retail activity for a little while, but stores aren&#8217;t going to hire workers because there are government checks headed our way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Schwandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Schwandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;heâ€™s more liberal than anything IMO&lt;/blockquote&gt;

yes he is more liberal then the last 4 but that still does not put him left of center - especially if compared to the world - In Germany Obama most likely would be in the CDU and not in the SPD, never mind Die Linke or Bundniss90 - I guess what I am saying is it&#039;s relative</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>heâ€™s more liberal than anything IMO</p></blockquote>
<p>yes he is more liberal then the last 4 but that still does not put him left of center &#8211; especially if compared to the world &#8211; In Germany Obama most likely would be in the CDU and not in the SPD, never mind Die Linke or Bundniss90 &#8211; I guess what I am saying is it&#8217;s relative</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bob, no, not the main reason. The main reason is that they are extremists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob, no, not the main reason. The main reason is that they are extremists.</p>
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		<title>By: bobaloo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobaloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this straight, Obama is center right? Has anyone actually read any of his opinions? I don&#039;t care what the chart says, he&#039;s more liberal than anything IMO, but I digress. 

randallt, so you&#039;re saying that the main reason the &quot;extreme right&quot; oppose Obama is because they&#039;re racists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight, Obama is center right? Has anyone actually read any of his opinions? I don&#8217;t care what the chart says, he&#8217;s more liberal than anything IMO, but I digress. </p>
<p>randallt, so you&#8217;re saying that the main reason the &#8220;extreme right&#8221; oppose Obama is because they&#8217;re racists?</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arratik, Doug, Kai, thanks for your comments, all well reasoned and smart. And thanks x 10 for correcting bob&#039;s mistake about BD&#039;s being center-left in any way whatsoever. And yes, Obama&#039;s right leaning agenda  is what kept me from supporting him until deep in the process. 

And speaking of Rush, I think Obama used a calculated strategy by calling him out. On one hand it gave the far right wing extremist element in the country something to rally around. On the other hand, it let mainstream Americans know that the gloves are off when addressing the reality of the racist based hate mongering that he and his Fox News ilk specialize in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arratik, Doug, Kai, thanks for your comments, all well reasoned and smart. And thanks x 10 for correcting bob&#8217;s mistake about BD&#8217;s being center-left in any way whatsoever. And yes, Obama&#8217;s right leaning agenda  is what kept me from supporting him until deep in the process. </p>
<p>And speaking of Rush, I think Obama used a calculated strategy by calling him out. On one hand it gave the far right wing extremist element in the country something to rally around. On the other hand, it let mainstream Americans know that the gloves are off when addressing the reality of the racist based hate mongering that he and his Fox News ilk specialize in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Schwandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Schwandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s a stupid name given to center left Democrats. Center left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have to strongly disagree with the idea that the Blue Dogs are center left - not even close. Even Obama is center right. Take a look at this:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

Of cause if you keep redefining the center then even Rush Limbaugh is &quot;center left&quot; which would put me somewhere over the rainbow. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s a stupid name given to center left Democrats. Center left.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have to strongly disagree with the idea that the Blue Dogs are center left &#8211; not even close. Even Obama is center right. Take a look at this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008</a></p>
<p>Of cause if you keep redefining the center then even Rush Limbaugh is &#8220;center left&#8221; which would put me somewhere over the rainbow. <img src='http://scrutinyhooligans.us/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we&#039;re talking Blue Dogs, it needs to be pointed out that there are 47 of them, according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/Member%20Page.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their website.&lt;/a&gt;

Only eleven Democratic congressmen voted against this bill. I don&#039;t know if they were all Blue Dogs, but even assuming they were, that puts Rep. Shuler in a superminority even among the self-proclaimed fiscal hawks.

And our beef isn&#039;t just with this vote. What about SCHIP? On these fiscal issues, I get the feeling that Shuler&#039;s gut instinct is that if the government is spending money, that&#039;s bad, and the arguments that these are investments or that these are ways we can address the structural injustices of capitalism don&#039;t carry much weight with him. On the other hand, though, his frugal principles didn&#039;t seem to apply to Iraq War spending. Whether he votes to fund them or not, he has no problem with the government sponsoring programs in his district.

So he&#039;s not a mainstream Democrat. Fine. But judging by this vote he&#039;s not a mainstream Blue Dog, either. And I think we&#039;re all wondering why, here at the beginning of his second term, having trounced his opponent in November, he can&#039;t try to move a little toward the mainstream of his own party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re talking Blue Dogs, it needs to be pointed out that there are 47 of them, according to <a href="http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/Member%20Page.html" rel="nofollow">their website.</a></p>
<p>Only eleven Democratic congressmen voted against this bill. I don&#8217;t know if they were all Blue Dogs, but even assuming they were, that puts Rep. Shuler in a superminority even among the self-proclaimed fiscal hawks.</p>
<p>And our beef isn&#8217;t just with this vote. What about SCHIP? On these fiscal issues, I get the feeling that Shuler&#8217;s gut instinct is that if the government is spending money, that&#8217;s bad, and the arguments that these are investments or that these are ways we can address the structural injustices of capitalism don&#8217;t carry much weight with him. On the other hand, though, his frugal principles didn&#8217;t seem to apply to Iraq War spending. Whether he votes to fund them or not, he has no problem with the government sponsoring programs in his district.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s not a mainstream Democrat. Fine. But judging by this vote he&#8217;s not a mainstream Blue Dog, either. And I think we&#8217;re all wondering why, here at the beginning of his second term, having trounced his opponent in November, he can&#8217;t try to move a little toward the mainstream of his own party.</p>
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		<title>By: Arratik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arratik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Started out as get rid of the chain saw and then saw favorable merit in him. Favorable enough to feel good about him. I even defended him from some folks when Markos came to town and some people in the audience called Heath a dumb shit. Heâ€™s also a nice guy and I like him and thatâ€™s why I commented that I do this with a heavy heart.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fair enough. You&#039;re not alone. And yes, he is a nice guy, very personable and friendly with a winning smile and a handshake that&#039;ll dislocate your shoulder if you&#039;re not careful (which was refreshing after the dead fish handshake I got from Taylor once). Initially, my ideological disagreements were tempered by nuance - for example, his pro-life stance extends to opposing the death penalty, which certainly sets him apart from most conservatives (and even a few of his Democratic colleagues).

As to him being a dumbshit... well, dumbshits don&#039;t go back to school after their NFL careers wash out and get degrees in psychology or start successful businesses, Wonderlic scores notwithstanding.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I also donâ€™t think he deserves a shot at running for Senate. But then again, what do I know? I didnâ€™t think John Edwards deserved a shot at Pres/VP. Then again, the possibility of running a conservative Democrat and beating Richard Burr combined with the ascension of a progressive Democrat to the Eleventh is a future I could find comfort in. Deserving is in the mind of the observer after all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Anyone who qualifies constitutionally (at least 30 years old, US resident for 9 years, current resident of the state you&#039;re seeking office in) deserves a shot at running for Senate. Whether they stand a chance or not is a different matter altogether. Personally, I don&#039;t think Shuler does. But NC-11 could be his for as long as he wants it, provided that he keeps up his &quot;Blue Dog Fetish&quot; to appease the fiscal conservatives, and provided that the GOP keeps finding Carl Mumpowers to run against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Started out as get rid of the chain saw and then saw favorable merit in him. Favorable enough to feel good about him. I even defended him from some folks when Markos came to town and some people in the audience called Heath a dumb shit. Heâ€™s also a nice guy and I like him and thatâ€™s why I commented that I do this with a heavy heart.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough. You&#8217;re not alone. And yes, he is a nice guy, very personable and friendly with a winning smile and a handshake that&#8217;ll dislocate your shoulder if you&#8217;re not careful (which was refreshing after the dead fish handshake I got from Taylor once). Initially, my ideological disagreements were tempered by nuance &#8211; for example, his pro-life stance extends to opposing the death penalty, which certainly sets him apart from most conservatives (and even a few of his Democratic colleagues).</p>
<p>As to him being a dumbshit&#8230; well, dumbshits don&#8217;t go back to school after their NFL careers wash out and get degrees in psychology or start successful businesses, Wonderlic scores notwithstanding.</p>
<blockquote><p>I also donâ€™t think he deserves a shot at running for Senate. But then again, what do I know? I didnâ€™t think John Edwards deserved a shot at Pres/VP. Then again, the possibility of running a conservative Democrat and beating Richard Burr combined with the ascension of a progressive Democrat to the Eleventh is a future I could find comfort in. Deserving is in the mind of the observer after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Anyone who qualifies constitutionally (at least 30 years old, US resident for 9 years, current resident of the state you&#8217;re seeking office in) deserves a shot at running for Senate. Whether they stand a chance or not is a different matter altogether. Personally, I don&#8217;t think Shuler does. But NC-11 could be his for as long as he wants it, provided that he keeps up his &#8220;Blue Dog Fetish&#8221; to appease the fiscal conservatives, and provided that the GOP keeps finding Carl Mumpowers to run against him.</p>
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		<title>By: randallt</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get schooled by hope, reason and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/29/14328/1992/1015/690547&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lieber&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maddening and upsetting as it may be for us Progressives, the current wave of Democratic victories have NOT come through Borg-Size-Fits-All-Mentality, but by understanding that Heath Schuler&#039;s North Carolina district is not Sheila Jackson Lee&#039;s in Texas is not Barney Frank&#039;s in Massachusetts and that, if we want to be a national party, we&#039;re going to have to take some lumps in order to keep that coalition together.

So, bash the 11 who broke bread with the Republicans, but take some solace in the fact that the Borg are now ALL-IN, their entire stack of chips bet on economic collapse, forgetting that &quot;We Saved Your Hard Earned Dollars&quot; doesn&#039;t work when you&#039;re only &quot;Hard Earning&quot; LUCK.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get schooled by hope, reason and <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/29/14328/1992/1015/690547" rel="nofollow">Lieber</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Maddening and upsetting as it may be for us Progressives, the current wave of Democratic victories have NOT come through Borg-Size-Fits-All-Mentality, but by understanding that Heath Schuler&#8217;s North Carolina district is not Sheila Jackson Lee&#8217;s in Texas is not Barney Frank&#8217;s in Massachusetts and that, if we want to be a national party, we&#8217;re going to have to take some lumps in order to keep that coalition together.</p>
<p>So, bash the 11 who broke bread with the Republicans, but take some solace in the fact that the Borg are now ALL-IN, their entire stack of chips bet on economic collapse, forgetting that &#8220;We Saved Your Hard Earned Dollars&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work when you&#8217;re only &#8220;Hard Earning&#8221; LUCK.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

If we don&#039;t like what Shuler does, should we just be quiet about it? 

Seriously - why shouldn&#039;t we be openly critical? And for those of us who are Democrats and who have spent hours and hours of our time building the party and helping its candidates, it&#039;s hardly unfair for us to accuse Shuler of disloyalty. He was one of only eleven Democrats to vote against this bill, and the only one from North Carolina. 

Mike freakin&#039; McIntyre voted for the stimulus bill. &lt;i&gt;John McCain&lt;/i&gt; is saying that it needs &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; spending on infrastructure. So why should we give Shuler a pass? Why shouldn&#039;t we expect him to come out and say exactly what bothered him? And how can we expect him to explain himself unless we let him know we aren&#039;t happy about his vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t like what Shuler does, should we just be quiet about it? </p>
<p>Seriously &#8211; why shouldn&#8217;t we be openly critical? And for those of us who are Democrats and who have spent hours and hours of our time building the party and helping its candidates, it&#8217;s hardly unfair for us to accuse Shuler of disloyalty. He was one of only eleven Democrats to vote against this bill, and the only one from North Carolina. </p>
<p>Mike freakin&#8217; McIntyre voted for the stimulus bill. <i>John McCain</i> is saying that it needs <i>more</i> spending on infrastructure. So why should we give Shuler a pass? Why shouldn&#8217;t we expect him to come out and say exactly what bothered him? And how can we expect him to explain himself unless we let him know we aren&#8217;t happy about his vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandwich Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandwich Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is why would he side with the GOP?  Maybe because this is a REALLY bad piece of legislation.  If we are truly looking to stimulate the economy, then why would you ever want to pass this?  None of the effect of this legislation would be seen until the money starts to go out in 2010.

America needs relief now!  Frankly I have very little faith that these New Deal-esque make work measures will right the ship just like it didn&#039;t in the 1930&#039;s.

It is the job of the private sector to prop up the public sector never the other way around.  The job of the public sector is to make sure there is an even playing field, and then to get out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is why would he side with the GOP?  Maybe because this is a REALLY bad piece of legislation.  If we are truly looking to stimulate the economy, then why would you ever want to pass this?  None of the effect of this legislation would be seen until the money starts to go out in 2010.</p>
<p>America needs relief now!  Frankly I have very little faith that these New Deal-esque make work measures will right the ship just like it didn&#8217;t in the 1930&#8242;s.</p>
<p>It is the job of the private sector to prop up the public sector never the other way around.  The job of the public sector is to make sure there is an even playing field, and then to get out of the way.</p>
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