Comments on: Master Plan Wants You http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:18:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Clarence Young http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20918 Clarence Young Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:59:13 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20918 “If only everyone was kind, giving, conscious, responsible, environmentally aware, planting forests, etc. But they’re not. They’re just not. I want my government to enact those virtues through land use planning.” -- GS “So I sold it for twice what I paid for the land the previous year to a high-powered democrat Attorney from Florida. Now, there is an apartment building there with 96 units, and it is all asphalt to provide parking.” --TP Let’s put these together and add a dash of Parkside. I am not sure how one logically puts much faith in government when we see examples almost everyday of people within government being corrupted and corrupting. What is the reason we see graffiti on public bathroom walls? Why do we not see it on our own bathroom walls? Could the answer be that private owner’s have a vested interest in their own property? A hammer is an inanimate tool. I can bludgeon someone with it or I can build a house with it. Capitalism is a tool. It can be used in an abusive way or it can be used very positively. Government likewise is a tool which can be used for good or ill. Big government and big corporations are brothers and sisters. When we have the courage as citizens to limit the intrusive behavior of both, we will make REAL progress in this country. “If only everyone was kind, giving, conscious, responsible, environmentally aware, planting forests, etc.
But they’re not. They’re just not. I want my government to enact those virtues through land use planning.” — GS

“So I sold it for twice what I paid for the land the previous year to a high-powered democrat Attorney from Florida. Now, there is an apartment building there with 96 units, and it is all asphalt to provide parking.” –TP

Let’s put these together and add a dash of Parkside.

I am not sure how one logically puts much faith in government when we see examples almost everyday of people within government being corrupted and corrupting.

What is the reason we see graffiti on public bathroom walls? Why do we not see it on our own bathroom walls? Could the answer be that private owner’s have a vested interest in their own property?

A hammer is an inanimate tool. I can bludgeon someone with it or I can build a house with it. Capitalism is a tool. It can be used in an abusive way or it can be used very positively. Government likewise is a tool which can be used for good or ill.

Big government and big corporations are brothers and sisters. When we have the courage as citizens to limit the intrusive behavior of both, we will make REAL progress in this country.

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]]> By: shadmarsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20915 shadmarsh Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:53:25 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20915 "Land planning uses violence, the threat of government force, to impose the will of others against the land owner." So tell me again why the war in Iraq was a virtuous government adventure? ... "it’s acceptable if the virtues being enforced are his own." Does this mean that the amendment to the Constitution to prohibit same sex marriage was also a bad idea? “Land planning uses violence, the threat of government force, to impose the will of others against the land owner.”

So tell me again why the war in Iraq was a virtuous government adventure?
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“it’s acceptable if the virtues being enforced are his own.”

Does this mean that the amendment to the Constitution to prohibit same sex marriage was also a bad idea?

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20899 Gordon Smith Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:28:40 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20899 Clarence, You sound like a fantastic landlord. Compassionate, responsible, conscious. I've also seen the other guys. The ones who don't do diddly. Why don't they do diddly? Because they're not those good things you are. If only everyone was kind, giving, conscious, responsible, environmentally aware, planting forests, etc. But they're not. They're just not. I want my government to enact those virtues through land use planning. Clarence,

You sound like a fantastic landlord. Compassionate, responsible, conscious.

I’ve also seen the other guys. The ones who don’t do diddly. Why don’t they do diddly? Because they’re not those good things you are.

If only everyone was kind, giving, conscious, responsible, environmentally aware, planting forests, etc.

But they’re not. They’re just not. I want my government to enact those virtues through land use planning.

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]]> By: Clarence Young http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20898 Clarence Young Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:18:27 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20898 I happen to own a mobile home park--four homes on six acres plus one house and one garage. I personally maintain this property better than any "non-owner planner" would. It takes me two days per week. My lot rent is $195 monthly and that includes yard work, free basic plus expanded cable, free water and free garbage pickup. The six acres includes woods which I planted 25 years ago. It also includes a wetlands area teeming with wildlife. By the way, I am hoping, in the next five years, to be adding photovoltaic panels to the garage and house. I hope to sell excess electricity back to the power company and/or I might provide power to my tenants. I also want to use solar panels for ambient heating and water heating. I might add radiant heating to the garage. I will collect rainwater in cisterns from both the house and garage and will use that water for toilets and landscaping. I prefer to do my own planning. It works for me and it works for my tenants. They generally stay here until they die. They are my neighbors and my friends. I happen to own a mobile home park–four homes on six acres plus one house and one garage. I personally maintain this property better than any “non-owner planner” would. It takes me two days per week. My lot rent is $195 monthly and that includes yard work, free basic plus expanded cable, free water and free garbage pickup. The six acres includes woods which I planted 25 years ago. It also includes a wetlands area teeming with wildlife.

By the way, I am hoping, in the next five years, to be adding photovoltaic panels to the garage and house. I hope to sell excess electricity back to the power company and/or I might provide power to my tenants. I also want to use solar panels for ambient heating and water heating. I might add radiant heating to the garage. I will collect rainwater in cisterns from both the house and garage and will use that water for toilets and landscaping.

I prefer to do my own planning. It works for me and it works for my tenants. They generally stay here until they die. They are my neighbors and my friends.

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]]> By: shadmarsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20894 shadmarsh Sat, 31 May 2008 21:35:46 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20894 I think in Clarence's version of liberty the idea of fifty trailers crammed into a half-acre lot is generally seen as a good thing. I think in Clarence’s version of liberty the idea of fifty trailers crammed into a half-acre lot is generally seen as a good thing.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20892 Gordon Smith Sat, 31 May 2008 20:56:50 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20892 Planning allows for better land use, less infrastructure, less maintenance. Unless "liberty" is going to install water lines, sewer lines, roads, waterways, and aquifers, then I'll take some planning with my liberty. Planning allows for better land use, less infrastructure, less maintenance. Unless “liberty” is going to install water lines, sewer lines, roads, waterways, and aquifers, then I’ll take some planning with my liberty.

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]]> By: Clarence Young http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20890 Clarence Young Sat, 31 May 2008 15:40:21 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20890 Isn't it ironic that people flock to see the architecture here in Asheville and that it is here because no "visionaries" removed the "urban blight" that it was a few decades ago? There can be planning or there can be liberty. Liberty is by far the more creative and innovative process of the two. Planning generally restricts and liberty generally expands. Restriction of property usage generally will result in lower cash flow for the owner. The only way to recoup is to charge more for the services coming from that location. Alan is right. Isn’t it ironic that people flock to see the architecture here in Asheville and that it is here because no “visionaries” removed the “urban blight” that it was a few decades ago?

There can be planning or there can be liberty. Liberty is by far the more creative and innovative process of the two. Planning generally restricts and liberty generally expands.

Restriction of property usage generally will result in lower cash flow for the owner. The only way to recoup is to charge more for the services coming from that location. Alan is right.

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]]> By: xty http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20880 xty Fri, 30 May 2008 21:02:29 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20880 I'm definitely goin'. Shit, I better get goin'! I’m definitely goin’. Shit, I better get goin’!

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]]> By: Johnny Lemuria http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20866 Johnny Lemuria Fri, 30 May 2008 05:07:32 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20866 Despite Mr. Ditmore's....excitability on the subject, I believe he is right. I do plan on going, if only so that the "none of us should be doing this" point of view receives representation. Despite Mr. Ditmore’s….excitability on the subject, I believe he is right. I do plan on going, if only so that the “none of us should be doing this” point of view receives representation.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20842 Gordon Smith Thu, 29 May 2008 16:20:37 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20842 You are so persuasive, Alan. I can't decide if it's the allcaps or the specious assertions that really do it for me, but there's something very special about you. You are so persuasive, Alan. I can’t decide if it’s the allcaps or the specious assertions that really do it for me, but there’s something very special about you.

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]]> By: Alan Ditmore http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20838 Alan Ditmore Thu, 29 May 2008 15:44:32 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20838 Zoning raises rents! Znng rss rnts!

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]]> By: Alan Ditmore http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/05/29/master-plan-wants-you/comment-page-1/#comment-20837 Alan Ditmore Thu, 29 May 2008 15:42:23 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5510#comment-20837 NO ZONING! NO DISCUSSION! NO COMPROMIZE! NO CONSENSUS! dON'T GO! N ZNNG! N DSCSSN! N CMPRMZ! N CNSNSS! dN’T G!

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