Comments on: Heath Shuler Channeling Bush’s Disinformation – Help Him Stop. http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18320 Gordon Smith Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:41:13 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18320 Done, Doug. I'm looking forward to it. Done, Doug. I’m looking forward to it.

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]]> By: J Flenner http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18313 J Flenner Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:55:06 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18313 Don't forget this: Former Phone Chief Says Spy Agency Sought Surveillance Help Before 9/11 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/business/14qwest.html Don’t forget this:
Former Phone Chief Says Spy Agency Sought Surveillance Help Before 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/business/14qwest.html

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]]> By: Doug Gibson http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18311 Doug Gibson Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:09:34 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18311 If you're interested in meeting with the staff Heath Shuler's office and letting them know in person how the "active people" in his district feel about telecom immunity, <a href="http://www.dfalink.com/event.php?id=28023" title="FISA meeting" rel="nofollow">I've set up an event on DFA-Link.</a> Please go there and sign up. Right now the posted date and time are just placeholders: once there's enough interest, we'll set the meeting date with Rep. Shuler's office. If you’re interested in meeting with the staff Heath Shuler’s office and letting them know in person how the “active people” in his district feel about telecom immunity, I’ve set up an event on DFA-Link. Please go there and sign up. Right now the posted date and time are just placeholders: once there’s enough interest, we’ll set the meeting date with Rep. Shuler’s office.

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]]> By: Doug Gibson http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18307 Doug Gibson Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:54:47 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18307 I see I said the 21-day PAA extension was a "pro-immunity" vote. I meant to say "anti-immunity." The more we can run out the clock, the better. I see I said the 21-day PAA extension was a “pro-immunity” vote. I meant to say “anti-immunity.” The more we can run out the clock, the better.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18300 Gordon Smith Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:44:09 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18300 <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/17/kristol-spying/" rel="nofollow">Think Progress</a>: <blockquote>"The Bush administration secretly conducted spying in violation of the Constitution and the law for four years before The New York Times disclosed it in 2005. For years, the White House lied about these activities to the American public. For example, in 2004, Bush claimed that “a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way.” At least one telco refused to comply with the Bush administration’s request because it knew the actions were illegal. Even now, the administration continues to lie about the consequences of the Protect America Act expiration. Just yesterday, Bush stated that it will now “be harder for our government to keep you safe from terrorist attack.” But as an expert from the Cato Institute admits, this statement isn’t true: “There’s no reason to think our nation will be in any more danger in 2008 than it was in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006.”</blockquote> Think Progress:

“The Bush administration secretly conducted spying in violation of the Constitution and the law for four years before The New York Times disclosed it in 2005. For years, the White House lied about these activities to the American public. For example, in 2004, Bush claimed that “a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way.” At least one telco refused to comply with the Bush administration’s request because it knew the actions were illegal.

Even now, the administration continues to lie about the consequences of the Protect America Act expiration. Just yesterday, Bush stated that it will now “be harder for our government to keep you safe from terrorist attack.” But as an expert from the Cato Institute admits, this statement isn’t true: “There’s no reason to think our nation will be in any more danger in 2008 than it was in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006.”

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18299 Gordon Smith Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:59:17 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18299 That would be superb, Doug. It's important for him to have a face-saving out no matter what. If he gets on board with the Democrats and denying immunity, he can certainly push the security angle and be none the politically poorer for it. That would be superb, Doug. It’s important for him to have a face-saving out no matter what.

If he gets on board with the Democrats and denying immunity, he can certainly push the security angle and be none the politically poorer for it.

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]]> By: Doug Gibson http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18297 Doug Gibson Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:05:58 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18297 What's interesting to me is how our Congressman seems to be looking for some sort of compromise position. He voted for the RESTORE act - which didn't include immunity. He signed the Blue Dog letter saying he'd prefer the Senate's approach - which means immunity. Then he voted for the extension - which has to be seen as a pro-immunity vote. Now he's calling on both Pelosi and Boehner not to adjourn until an agreement is reached, though the Times-News doesn't say that he's asking for any particular resolution. So is that pro- or anti-immunity? Pro, I guess, but just barely. So - is he planning on standing with the Blue Dogs on immunity, or is he laying down a paper trail so that when he votes against it he can show that national security was his top concern? What’s interesting to me is how our Congressman seems to be looking for some sort of compromise position. He voted for the RESTORE act – which didn’t include immunity. He signed the Blue Dog letter saying he’d prefer the Senate’s approach – which means immunity. Then he voted for the extension – which has to be seen as a pro-immunity vote. Now he’s calling on both Pelosi and Boehner not to adjourn until an agreement is reached, though the Times-News doesn’t say that he’s asking for any particular resolution. So is that pro- or anti-immunity? Pro, I guess, but just barely.

So – is he planning on standing with the Blue Dogs on immunity, or is he laying down a paper trail so that when he votes against it he can show that national security was his top concern?

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]]> By: Drama Queen http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18290 Drama Queen Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:15:41 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18290 I want protection for when someone in authority asks me to break a law and I do it. I want protection for when someone in authority asks me to break a law and I do it.

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]]> By: Undercover Blue http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2008/02/17/heath-shuler-channeling-bushs-disinformation-help-him/comment-page-1/#comment-18289 Undercover Blue Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:59:51 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4930#comment-18289 <blockquote><strong>The issue is liability protection for the private sector.</strong></blockquote>Read that, "protection for the administration." Concern for the telecoms is another classic administration distraction. Telecom immunity means no discovery process in the EFF and other suits, doesn't it? It means no investigation into what made John Ashcroft and top DOJ officials threaten to resign over the NSA's wiretapping activities. Telecom lawsuits are the cartoon before the feature film, the prosecution of a "third-rate burglary" before the congressional investigations. No telecom immunity equals no CYA for the Bush administration. <i>That's</i> the issue.

The issue is liability protection for the private sector.

Read that, “protection for the administration.” Concern for the telecoms is another classic administration distraction.

Telecom immunity means no discovery process in the EFF and other suits, doesn’t it? It means no investigation into what made John Ashcroft and top DOJ officials threaten to resign over the NSA’s wiretapping activities. Telecom lawsuits are the cartoon before the feature film, the prosecution of a “third-rate burglary” before the congressional investigations.

No telecom immunity equals no CYA for the Bush administration. That’s the issue.

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