Comments on: Shuler and Most Democrats Vote For Troop Pullout, Against Waterboarding http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/ If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. — Samuel Adams Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:18:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-15080 Gordon Smith Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:54:10 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-15080 TP, You are a very important man! You did all that! The Horowitz stuff must make you feel especially proud. Maybe you will teach us all how you organized a protest in Brussels, and maybe when Davy Horowitz comes to town to have dinner with you and your family, you can invite me over. So y'all will have someone to spit on, of course. You sent people to meet with "resistance leaders" Gosh! How'd you manage all that! You must have sent a lot of money, or you must have gone to Brussels. Or you spent time on some email lists, a couple conference calls, and wrote a few blog posts followed by self-aggrandizing for the very first time here at this humble blog. Either way, know that you've likely saved the world. TP,

You are a very important man! You did all that! The Horowitz stuff must make you feel especially proud. Maybe you will teach us all how you organized a protest in Brussels, and maybe when Davy Horowitz comes to town to have dinner with you and your family, you can invite me over. So y’all will have someone to spit on, of course. You sent people to meet with “resistance leaders”

Gosh! How’d you manage all that! You must have sent a lot of money, or you must have gone to Brussels.

Or you spent time on some email lists, a couple conference calls, and wrote a few blog posts followed by self-aggrandizing for the very first time here at this humble blog.

Either way, know that you’ve likely saved the world.

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]]> By: shadmarsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-15035 shadmarsh Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:04:31 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-15035 "As part of my job in the counterjihad movement, I monitor many jihadi websites and forums, and report on what I find." delusions of grandeur? or psychotic break from reality? PS, I have no idea what you are talking about with this A-P group... obfuscate much? Oh, and your biblical knowledge of Jesus could use some touching up. “As part of my job in the counterjihad movement, I monitor many jihadi websites and forums, and report on what I find.”

delusions of grandeur? or psychotic break from reality?

PS,

I have no idea what you are talking about with this A-P group… obfuscate much? Oh, and your biblical knowledge of Jesus could use some touching up.

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]]> By: rip http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-15031 rip Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:16:39 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-15031 And yet they don't understand why our people are dragged through the streets and their bodies hanged from bridges. They call that an atrocity. Expect to receive what you hand out and these folks have been handing it out for centuries longer than us. The self appointed sheepdogs are usually the first to break down anyway... And yet they don’t understand why our people are dragged through the streets and their bodies hanged from bridges.

They call that an atrocity.

Expect to receive what you hand out and these folks have been handing it out for centuries longer than us.

The self appointed sheepdogs are usually the first to break down anyway…

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]]> By: Theconstitutiom http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14990 Theconstitutiom Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:14:35 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14990 did I miss something or did TP just admit to breaking the law? did I miss something or did TP just admit to breaking the law?

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]]> By: shad marsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14986 shad marsh Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:23:29 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14986 At what point do we become that which we profess to hate? If you are willing to adopt their methods (in part or in whole) then what just what is it that we are fighting against? As that freaky old German once said, stare long enough into the abyss and the abyss begins to stare back into you. At what point do we become that which we profess to hate? If you are willing to adopt their methods (in part or in whole) then what just what is it that we are fighting against? As that freaky old German once said, stare long enough into the abyss and the abyss begins to stare back into you.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14984 Gordon Smith Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:15:24 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14984 He calls us hysterical? He calls us hysterical?

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]]> By: shad marsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14983 shad marsh Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:13:40 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14983 TP, this begs the question: who would Jesus waterboard? TP,
this begs the question: who would Jesus waterboard?

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]]> By: Kai Schwandes http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14977 Kai Schwandes Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:52:10 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14977 About water boarding I think that a policy needs to be in place equal to the one police forces have with teaser guns. You can 't use them unless you have had first hand experience with it .... so I say everyone that wants water boarding to be used needs to experiences it first hand - from the President down to every supporter of such fascist wet dreams! Oh and not just for like 2 minutes but the whole kaboom with sleep deprivation, testicle electrodes, naked pyramids etc. - and it could be put on pay-per-view - I bet there are enough sickos in the world that would tune in - it should bring in enough money to pay for this stupid war. About water boarding

I think that a policy needs to be in place equal to the one police forces have with teaser guns. You can ‘t use them unless you have had first hand experience with it ….

so I say everyone that wants water boarding to be used needs to experiences it first hand – from the President down to every supporter of such fascist wet dreams!

Oh and not just for like 2 minutes but the whole kaboom with sleep deprivation, testicle electrodes, naked pyramids etc. – and it could be put on pay-per-view – I bet there are enough sickos in the world that would tune in – it should bring in enough money to pay for this stupid war.

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]]> By: shad marsh http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14965 shad marsh Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:43:35 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14965 Water-boarding, doesn't "simulate" drowning; it is drowning. Regardless of the ethical questions of torture (which many on the right seem to have no problem disregarding) is the fact, demonstrated time and time again in study after study, that torture--of any kind-- is an ineffective interrogation tool. Water-boarding, doesn’t “simulate” drowning; it is drowning. Regardless of the ethical questions of torture (which many on the right seem to have no problem disregarding) is the fact, demonstrated time and time again in study after study, that torture–of any kind– is an ineffective interrogation tool.

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]]> By: Arratik http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14962 Arratik Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:16:35 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14962 TP @ #4: <blockquote>About water boarding, it is a non-destructive interrogation technique.</blockquote> I'm guessing that a good percentage of the 17,000+ people killed by the Khmer Rouge at S-21 might disagree with that statement. TP @ #4:

About water boarding, it is a non-destructive interrogation technique.

I’m guessing that a good percentage of the 17,000+ people killed by the Khmer Rouge at S-21 might disagree with that statement.

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]]> By: Twain http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14961 Twain Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:04 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14961 “THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE CONDEMNED TO” …..WHAT WE ARE LIVING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. WORK FOR TRUTH & PEACE …and to PROTECT OUR FIRST AMENDMENT. Twain -in SHOUT mode …on this 11/16/2007 Friday morning. As I posted the link to Keith Olbermann’s editorial on water boarding…..by providing the link to Cecil’s BLOG…I will add that..NOW….(in 10 minutes)…another ‘Can’t Miss Radio’ 3 hours is on..LIVE…at: http://www.wpvm.org/ We might hear some indication of what we can expect from the forthcoming ‘Asheville citypaper’……and THE MUSIC IS OFTEN DIVINE. Good Morning Carolina…. & and… GOOD MORNING Scrutiny Hooligan PATRIOTS! “THOSE WHO DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY ARE CONDEMNED TO” …..WHAT WE ARE LIVING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

WORK FOR TRUTH & PEACE …and to PROTECT OUR FIRST AMENDMENT.

Twain -in SHOUT mode …on this 11/16/2007
Friday morning.

As I posted the link to Keith Olbermann’s editorial on water boarding…..by providing the link to Cecil’s BLOG…I will add that..NOW….(in 10 minutes)…another ‘Can’t Miss Radio’ 3 hours is on..LIVE…at:

http://www.wpvm.org/

We might hear some indication of what we can expect from the forthcoming ‘Asheville citypaper’……and
THE MUSIC IS OFTEN DIVINE.

Good Morning Carolina…. & and…
GOOD MORNING Scrutiny Hooligan PATRIOTS!

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]]> By: rip http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14956 rip Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:32:09 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14956 It's not the sheep who are hysterical with madness... It's those people who go around using silly analogies thinking they are the anointed, self appointed sheepdogs of our society. Those are the ones who are bat shit crazy from delusional fear. It’s not the sheep who are hysterical with madness…

It’s those people who go around using silly analogies thinking they are the anointed, self appointed sheepdogs of our society.

Those are the ones who are bat shit crazy from delusional fear.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14954 Gordon Smith Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:21:44 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14954 So you're saying that the people doing the right thing need to do less of it, that simulated drowning is torture and that's o.k. because it's "non-destructive", and that anyone who doesn't realize that is "hysterical with madness"? I may need to remind you of a few things: War = bad Torture = bad Living in fear = bad So you’re saying that the people doing the right thing need to do less of it, that simulated drowning is torture and that’s o.k. because it’s “non-destructive”, and that anyone who doesn’t realize that is “hysterical with madness”?

I may need to remind you of a few things:

War = bad
Torture = bad
Living in fear = bad

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14917 Gordon Smith Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:46 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14917 More solid stuff from Deputy Whip Largely via press releases: <blockquote>"Representative Heath Shuler today announced that he has secured a federal appropriation of $1,000,000 for the development of an integrated clinical system to improve the Computer Physician Order Entry process used at Department of Defense medical facilities worldwide in the Fiscal Year 2008 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill." [...] "“The safety and quality of patient care for Western North Carolinians who come to Mission Hospitals will be greatly enhanced because of this $1 million appropriation Congressman Shuler obtained for us,” said Dr. Arlo Jennings, Vice President and Chief Information Officer at Mission. “With this appropriation Mission will continue to be a leader among U.S. hospitals in using technology to create a secure electronic medical record for our patients and physicians.”</blockquote> and <blockquote>"Representative Heath Shuler announced today that he has introduced legislation to adjust the boundaries of the Pisgah National Forest by 335 acres to allow the public better access to Catawba Falls in McDowell County. Included in this acreage will be 96 acres currently owned by a land trust organization. The remaining 239 acres are already owned by the Forest Service, but not within the official boundaries of the Pisgah National Forest." [...] "“The acquisition of this land will provide tremendous recreation benefits to the people of Western North Carolina and all Americans. Access to Catawba Falls and increased recreational opportunities will also promote our local economy and businesses through increased tourist dollars,” Rep. Shuler said. The Foothills Conservancy will donate approximately 12% of the tract to the Forest Service. The remaining portion of the land will be purchased through the regular appropriations process. Rep. Shuler’s bill, H.R. 4155, must be passed before federal funds could be appropriated for the purchase of the land."</blockquote> Representative Charles Taylor didn't bring this kind of money home, and he was a "cardinal" on appropriations. Taylor wanted to cut the national forests, not expand them. Candidates Mumpower, Campbell, and Armor wouldn't approve of any of the projects Shuler's bringing home. Heath still needs to work on recognizing the civil rights of his constituents, but he's certainly targeting good federal dollars to bring to the district. More solid stuff from Deputy Whip Largely via press releases:

“Representative Heath Shuler today announced that he has secured a federal appropriation of $1,000,000 for the development of an integrated clinical system to improve the Computer Physician Order Entry process used at Department of Defense medical facilities worldwide in the Fiscal Year 2008 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill.”
[...]
““The safety and quality of patient care for Western North Carolinians who come to Mission Hospitals will be greatly enhanced because of this $1 million appropriation Congressman Shuler obtained for us,” said Dr. Arlo Jennings, Vice President and Chief Information Officer at Mission. “With this appropriation Mission will continue to be a leader among U.S. hospitals in using technology to create a secure electronic medical record for our patients and physicians.”

and

“Representative Heath Shuler announced today that he has introduced legislation to adjust the boundaries of the Pisgah National Forest by 335 acres to allow the public better access to Catawba Falls in McDowell County. Included in this acreage will be 96 acres currently owned by a land trust organization. The remaining 239 acres are already owned by the Forest Service, but not within the official boundaries of the Pisgah National Forest.”
[...]
““The acquisition of this land will provide tremendous recreation benefits to the people of Western North Carolina and all Americans. Access to Catawba Falls and increased recreational opportunities will also promote our local economy and businesses through increased tourist dollars,” Rep. Shuler said.

The Foothills Conservancy will donate approximately 12% of the tract to the Forest Service. The remaining portion of the land will be purchased through the regular appropriations process. Rep. Shuler’s bill, H.R. 4155, must be passed before federal funds could be appropriated for the purchase of the land.”

Representative Charles Taylor didn’t bring this kind of money home, and he was a “cardinal” on appropriations. Taylor wanted to cut the national forests, not expand them. Candidates Mumpower, Campbell, and Armor wouldn’t approve of any of the projects Shuler’s bringing home.

Heath still needs to work on recognizing the civil rights of his constituents, but he’s certainly targeting good federal dollars to bring to the district.

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]]> By: Twain http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14915 Twain Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:51:12 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14915 Gord et al: Keith Olbermann's comments about WATERBOARDING are worth every second...NOW. The link is at the top of Cecil Bothwell's BLOG. TAKE THE TIME.....RIGHT NOW ...to watch & listen to every minute! http://www.bothwellsblog.wordpress.com/ Thanks -Twain ...up in the WINTER WEATHER ADVISED ...Northern Mountains of WNC. Gord et al:

Keith Olbermann’s comments about WATERBOARDING are worth every second…NOW.

The link is at the top of Cecil Bothwell’s BLOG.

TAKE THE TIME…..RIGHT NOW …to watch & listen to every minute!

http://www.bothwellsblog.wordpress.com/

Thanks -Twain …up in the WINTER WEATHER ADVISED …Northern Mountains of WNC.

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]]> By: Gordon Smith http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/11/15/shuler-and-most-democrats-vote-for-troop-pullout-against-waterboarding/comment-page-1/#comment-14914 Gordon Smith Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:14:00 +0000 http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=4421#comment-14914 A lot of this is just kabuki. Troop levels are at an all-time high in Iraq, and Bush will be bringing some of them home soon anyway. We'll get back to pre-surge levels, and everyone will be rushing to take credit for the "drawdown". None of this is substantive. The surge was always going to be temporary because our military is stretched to the point of breaking. It's better than seeing Dems do nothing, but not by much. It will still mean little. It's going to take someone with real courage to lead these Dems out of their fearful position into a willingness to do what's right even if it's hard. A lot of this is just kabuki. Troop levels are at an all-time high in Iraq, and Bush will be bringing some of them home soon anyway. We’ll get back to pre-surge levels, and everyone will be rushing to take credit for the “drawdown”.

None of this is substantive. The surge was always going to be temporary because our military is stretched to the point of breaking.

It’s better than seeing Dems do nothing, but not by much. It will still mean little. It’s going to take someone with real courage to lead these Dems out of their fearful position into a willingness to do what’s right even if it’s hard.

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