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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11680</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;After a brief interruption of his New Hampshire vacation to meet President Bush in the family compound at Kenebunkport, Maine, French President Nicolas Sarkozy came away convinced his U.S. counterpart is serious about bombing Iran&#039;s secret nuclear facilities. That&#039;s the reading as it filtered back to Europe&#039;s foreign ministries:

Addressing the annual meeting of France&#039;s ambassadors to 188 countries, Mr. Sarkozy said either Iran lives up to its international obligations and relinquishes its nuclear ambitions â€” or it will be bombed into compliance. Mr. Sarkozy also made it clear he did not agree with the Iranian-bomb-or-bombing-of-Iran position, which reflects the pledge of Mr. Bush to his loyalists, endorsed by Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut Independent. But Mr. Sarkozy recognized unless Iran&#039;s theocrats stop enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels under inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), we will all be &quot;faced with an alternative that I call catastrophic.&quot;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070903/COMMENTARY/109030018/1012/commentary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>After a brief interruption of his New Hampshire vacation to meet President Bush in the family compound at Kenebunkport, Maine, French President Nicolas Sarkozy came away convinced his U.S. counterpart is serious about bombing Iran&#8217;s secret nuclear facilities. That&#8217;s the reading as it filtered back to Europe&#8217;s foreign ministries:</p>
<p>Addressing the annual meeting of France&#8217;s ambassadors to 188 countries, Mr. Sarkozy said either Iran lives up to its international obligations and relinquishes its nuclear ambitions â€” or it will be bombed into compliance. Mr. Sarkozy also made it clear he did not agree with the Iranian-bomb-or-bombing-of-Iran position, which reflects the pledge of Mr. Bush to his loyalists, endorsed by Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut Independent. But Mr. Sarkozy recognized unless Iran&#8217;s theocrats stop enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels under inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), we will all be &#8220;faced with an alternative that I call catastrophic.&#8221;"</p></blockquote>
<p> &#8211; <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070903/COMMENTARY/109030018/1012/commentary" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kai Schwandes</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11641</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Schwandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon writes: bring a formal declaration of war against Iran

ahmmm,  when have we had the last declaration of war? WWII right? plus a president can wage war for like 90 days before asking congress, and to top it off, most Democrats willingness to stand up to Bush is non-existing. 

We like war, it&#039;s what we good at. It makes money. How else are we continue to claim &quot;We are # 1 in the World&quot; ? Health care?, nope, Education?, nope, Infant mortality rate?, nope, worker rights? nope, civil liberties?, nope, .... 

I came to this country some 17 years ago and things have been getting progressively worse year by year, but the last 6 years I wake up every morning and the first words out of my mouth are &quot;WTF&quot;, I am still in a night mare, I want to wake up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon writes: bring a formal declaration of war against Iran</p>
<p>ahmmm,  when have we had the last declaration of war? WWII right? plus a president can wage war for like 90 days before asking congress, and to top it off, most Democrats willingness to stand up to Bush is non-existing. </p>
<p>We like war, it&#8217;s what we good at. It makes money. How else are we continue to claim &#8220;We are # 1 in the World&#8221; ? Health care?, nope, Education?, nope, Infant mortality rate?, nope, worker rights? nope, civil liberties?, nope, &#8230;. </p>
<p>I came to this country some 17 years ago and things have been getting progressively worse year by year, but the last 6 years I wake up every morning and the first words out of my mouth are &#8220;WTF&#8221;, I am still in a night mare, I want to wake up!</p>
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		<title>By: Arratik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arratik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, it looks like the Kos diary in question was deleted...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like the Kos diary in question was deleted&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11632</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They [the source&#039;s institution] have &quot;instructions&quot; (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don&#039;t think they&#039;ll ever get majority support for this--they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is &quot;plenty.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2007/08/if-there-were-a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;

What has to happen, Kai, is that Democrats have to take seriously their responsibility to check the President&#039;s power to make war.  That is, Heath Shuler and the gang need to look Bush in the eye and tell him that they will not authorize any funding without iron clad guarantees that he&#039;ll bring a formal declaration of war against Iran before the Congress.

I&#039;m not betting on any of that happening mind you.  It&#039;s less likely that Democrats will stand up to Bush on the war than it is that Bush will invade Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They [the source's institution] have &#8220;instructions&#8221; (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll ever get majority support for this&#8211;they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is &#8220;plenty.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p> &#8211; <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2007/08/if-there-were-a.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
<p>What has to happen, Kai, is that Democrats have to take seriously their responsibility to check the President&#8217;s power to make war.  That is, Heath Shuler and the gang need to look Bush in the eye and tell him that they will not authorize any funding without iron clad guarantees that he&#8217;ll bring a formal declaration of war against Iran before the Congress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not betting on any of that happening mind you.  It&#8217;s less likely that Democrats will stand up to Bush on the war than it is that Bush will invade Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Schwandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Schwandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12 Gordon Smith says: Hey Paul, What if youâ€™re wrong?

Well in the end no one but Bush and Co really knows and if they actually do attack Iran then &quot;WTF-GHU&quot; (Translation: What the F..k - G.. help us;  take your pick)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12 Gordon Smith says: Hey Paul, What if youâ€™re wrong?</p>
<p>Well in the end no one but Bush and Co really knows and if they actually do attack Iran then &#8220;WTF-GHU&#8221; (Translation: What the F..k &#8211; G.. help us;  take your pick)</p>
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		<title>By: shadmarsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadmarsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never misunderestimate the level of stupid and insanity that bush and his gang of thugs would sink.  If they honestly believe that they can topple the Iranian government, and stir-up a popular uprising among the youth to overthrown the religious authority, by a sustained bombing campaign, then they have no understand of not only Iranian history and culture, but no understanding of human nature.  
If you haven&#039;t read it already below is a link to Seymour Hersh&#039;s great piece from last April, and I believe he is the one to break this story originally.


 http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never misunderestimate the level of stupid and insanity that bush and his gang of thugs would sink.  If they honestly believe that they can topple the Iranian government, and stir-up a popular uprising among the youth to overthrown the religious authority, by a sustained bombing campaign, then they have no understand of not only Iranian history and culture, but no understanding of human nature.<br />
If you haven&#8217;t read it already below is a link to Seymour Hersh&#8217;s great piece from last April, and I believe he is the one to break this story originally.</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ashevillein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashevillein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I don&#039;t think it is oooga-boooga at all. 
We have the real possibility of the US State Department calling the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. 
This would be the same as, oh, say China, calling the US Marine Corps that.
I have also heard international law people, and not American ones, say that this would be tantamount to a declaration of war. You cannot declare a nation&#039;s armed forces an enemy without backing it up, it seems.
The other countries will get peeved.

This, along with the odd announcement that North Korea is off said list makes for a weird time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I don&#8217;t think it is oooga-boooga at all.<br />
We have the real possibility of the US State Department calling the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.<br />
This would be the same as, oh, say China, calling the US Marine Corps that.<br />
I have also heard international law people, and not American ones, say that this would be tantamount to a declaration of war. You cannot declare a nation&#8217;s armed forces an enemy without backing it up, it seems.<br />
The other countries will get peeved.</p>
<p>This, along with the odd announcement that North Korea is off said list makes for a weird time.</p>
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		<title>By: Uptown Ruler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uptown Ruler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do understand that one of the articles to which I linked did not stand up to blogger&#039;s scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do understand that one of the articles to which I linked did not stand up to blogger&#8217;s scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Uptown Ruler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uptown Ruler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post was more about bombing Iran than invading.

I know we don&#039;t have the troops to do the latter.

I also recall a fair amount of Ogga-Booga prior the bombing and invasion of Iraq.

My post point was to show what folks are thinking/saying, rather than sound an blog alarm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post was more about bombing Iran than invading.</p>
<p>I know we don&#8217;t have the troops to do the latter.</p>
<p>I also recall a fair amount of Ogga-Booga prior the bombing and invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p>My post point was to show what folks are thinking/saying, rather than sound an blog alarm.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul,

What if you&#039;re wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul,</p>
<p>What if you&#8217;re wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -V-</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11612</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul -V-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect your post did nothing but add to the unproductive: &quot;Ogga Booga - the US is gonna nuke Iran at any time&quot; conversation this weekend.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/2/194714/9801&quot; title=&quot;The Kos article referenced has already been debunked&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/2/15560/00042&quot; title=&quot;Markos himself is attempting to shift blame for the fear-mongering onto the readers themselves.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

As I&#039;ve written before, I&#039;m sure the NeoCons want to invade Iran... thankfully, it&#039;s not physically possible right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect your post did nothing but add to the unproductive: &#8220;Ogga Booga &#8211; the US is gonna nuke Iran at any time&#8221; conversation this weekend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/2/194714/9801" title="The Kos article referenced has already been debunked" rel="nofollow">, and </a><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/2/15560/00042" title="Markos himself is attempting to shift blame for the fear-mongering onto the readers themselves." rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written before, I&#8217;m sure the NeoCons want to invade Iran&#8230; thankfully, it&#8217;s not physically possible right now.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul -V-</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11611</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul -V-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect your post did nothing but add to the unproductive: &quot;Ogga Booga - the US is gonna nuke Iran at any time&quot; conversation this weekend.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/2/194714/9801&quot; href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/2/15560/00042&quot; title=&quot;Markos himself is attempting to shift blame for the fear-mongering onto the readers themselves.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

As I&#039;ve written before, I&#039;m sure the NeoCons want to invade Iran... thankfully, it&#039;s not physically possible right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect your post did nothing but add to the unproductive: &#8220;Ogga Booga &#8211; the US is gonna nuke Iran at any time&#8221; conversation this weekend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/2/194714/9801" href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/2/15560/00042" title="Markos himself is attempting to shift blame for the fear-mongering onto the readers themselves." rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written before, I&#8217;m sure the NeoCons want to invade Iran&#8230; thankfully, it&#8217;s not physically possible right now.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ashevillein</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11607</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashevillein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bad feeling that the Chimp&#039;s visit to Iraq today was a go-ahead for the Iran thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bad feeling that the Chimp&#8217;s visit to Iraq today was a go-ahead for the Iran thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11603</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atrios sums up the maddening version of reality we&#039;ll likely see from weak-kneed Democrats upon their return to &quot;debate&quot; the war.  I&#039;m stealing &lt;a href=&quot;http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_09_02_archive.html#2174744776667365036&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the whole post&lt;/a&gt;.  Sorry, Duncan.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As we head into the Month Which Everything Changes, here&#039;s the basic outline of The Deal:

1) Democrats, to court Republicans, agree to declare a bit of victory (&quot;situation improving...&quot;)

2) They compromise on a bill which suggests very strongly that maybe, just maybe, if security conditions &quot;continue to improve&quot; that Bush should consider, if he wants, bringing some troops home. But, you know, nothing that constrains his authority as Supreme Leader to do whatever the hell he wants.

3) Since troop levels can&#039;t be sustained, this is in fact what happens beginning April so that by November of 2008, the number of troops in Iraq is just about precisely what it was two years (!) previously, when the awesome surge began.

4) Everyone owns the war now.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Will Shuler bow down and surrender to George Bush&#039;s propaganda?  Probably so.  He&#039;ll have plenty of company and then wonder why so few Democrats came out to vote in November, 2008.

Show some character, people.  It&#039;s only fear keeping you from standing up to President 30%.  Fear of being called names at Beltway Cocktail Parties and on Fox News.  It&#039;s pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrios sums up the maddening version of reality we&#8217;ll likely see from weak-kneed Democrats upon their return to &#8220;debate&#8221; the war.  I&#8217;m stealing <a href="http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_09_02_archive.html#2174744776667365036" rel="nofollow">the whole post</a>.  Sorry, Duncan.  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;As we head into the Month Which Everything Changes, here&#8217;s the basic outline of The Deal:</p>
<p>1) Democrats, to court Republicans, agree to declare a bit of victory (&#8220;situation improving&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
<p>2) They compromise on a bill which suggests very strongly that maybe, just maybe, if security conditions &#8220;continue to improve&#8221; that Bush should consider, if he wants, bringing some troops home. But, you know, nothing that constrains his authority as Supreme Leader to do whatever the hell he wants.</p>
<p>3) Since troop levels can&#8217;t be sustained, this is in fact what happens beginning April so that by November of 2008, the number of troops in Iraq is just about precisely what it was two years (!) previously, when the awesome surge began.</p>
<p>4) Everyone owns the war now.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Will Shuler bow down and surrender to George Bush&#8217;s propaganda?  Probably so.  He&#8217;ll have plenty of company and then wonder why so few Democrats came out to vote in November, 2008.</p>
<p>Show some character, people.  It&#8217;s only fear keeping you from standing up to President 30%.  Fear of being called names at Beltway Cocktail Parties and on Fox News.  It&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: rip</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11601</link>
		<dc:creator>rip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rip: If I had to guess, everything was centered about halfway down the post, and you were using Internet Explorer, right?

I think I fixed the problem - does it look okay now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rip: If I had to guess, everything was centered about halfway down the post, and you were using Internet Explorer, right?</p>
<p>I think I fixed the problem &#8211; does it look okay now?</p>
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		<title>By: rip</title>
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		<dc:creator>rip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why 
is
everything
formatting 
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this
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why<br />
is<br />
everything<br />
formatting<br />
like<br />
this<br />
?</p>
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		<title>By: rip</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11596</link>
		<dc:creator>rip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If WE have this information and these suspicions, isn&#039;t it safe to assume that our Congressmen have more suspicions and better information?

If they were to stand by and let an attack happen wouldn&#039;t they be just as accountable?

Where will it all end?

Who&#039;s on the list after Iran?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If WE have this information and these suspicions, isn&#8217;t it safe to assume that our Congressmen have more suspicions and better information?</p>
<p>If they were to stand by and let an attack happen wouldn&#8217;t they be just as accountable?</p>
<p>Where will it all end?</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s on the list after Iran?</p>
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		<title>By: Arratik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arratik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe Heath Shuler can stop him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe Heath Shuler can stop him.</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Smith</title>
		<link>http://scrutinyhooligans.us/2007/09/03/are-we-really-going-to-bomb-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-11594</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Arratik, but Seymour Hersh&#039;s repeated assertions of covert ops within Iran coupled with asking for $200bn for a war that&#039;s supposed to be winding down in Iraq certainly makes for a compelling argument that we&#039;re already at war with Iran.

Throw in a ticking clock on Bush&#039;s Presidency, his belief in his divine inspiration, and a general disregard for the horrors of war, and you&#039;ve got a war a&#039;brewin&#039;.

I think he&#039;ll go for it, and we&#039;ll all be paying the price for decades to come.

Maybe Heath Shuler can stop him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Arratik, but Seymour Hersh&#8217;s repeated assertions of covert ops within Iran coupled with asking for $200bn for a war that&#8217;s supposed to be winding down in Iraq certainly makes for a compelling argument that we&#8217;re already at war with Iran.</p>
<p>Throw in a ticking clock on Bush&#8217;s Presidency, his belief in his divine inspiration, and a general disregard for the horrors of war, and you&#8217;ve got a war a&#8217;brewin&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;ll go for it, and we&#8217;ll all be paying the price for decades to come.</p>
<p>Maybe Heath Shuler can stop him.</p>
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