May
14

It’s Not About Racism, You Wetback Cockroaches!

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In the ongoing immigration debate, many hardliners have to repeatedly defend themselves from inferences and accusations of racism. Most end up with their shoulders around their ears prattering on about how they’re not racist, and it’s about the Rule of Law. They cite economic concerns such as the strain that many illegals put on our social services safety net. They say they don’t have any alliance with Klansmen or other white supremacists who advocate the same hardline stance on illegal immigration.

They talk about jailing or deporting over 12 million people without mentioning the human and financial costs. This is disingenuous at best.

Congressman Shuler and his lumpy predecessor hold the same view on immigration, which is that there is to be no forgiveness for those who crossed the border illegally. There are others who feel this way too, and they were on full display in the hallowed pages of the Asheville Citizen-Times over the last couple of weeks. Scrutiny Hooligans are proud to share some of their sparkling wit and wisdom.

“they have the audacity to demand to be treated with respect and dignity…not a chance”
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“You have snuck into my country like a cockroach crawling under a kitchen door. You are a criminal, it’s that simple”
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“What is next?? Sex offenders holding a vigil because they want a reform to allow them to play in schools and parks???”
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“I GUESS ALL THE WETBACK ARE EXEMPT FROM THAT RULE.”
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“Violence!!!!…..is NEXT!
Blood in the streets…..clear??”
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“The illegals attack the Americans at some mass gathering (not necessarily at a rally or protest); the authorities do nothing to protect the Americans; the Americans decide to fight back and the authorities descend upon them like all the demons in hell, busting heads and making arrests; Americans nationwide react violently and — presto — the bad stuff comes down.

I really don’t want it to come to this, but I am afraid that it will. Our liberal and neocon “leaders” are doing nothing to stop this invasion (which is what it is)”
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“MEXICANS ARE LIKE COCKAROCHES EVEN TERMINEX CANT GET RID OF THEM”
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“having my taxes raised at every whim of our government to meet the needs of these leaches”
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“Revive Operation Wetback!”
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“Send in the military and just take over the entire western hemisphere.Declare Hugo Chavez an evil tyrant and execute him.”
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“We need immigration reform. The system is way too soft…..

1st offense – deportation (after the sentence is served if the offender committed a crime in addition to the crime of entering the country illegally)

2nd offense – death

Illegals, from any country, are as much a threat to our country and way of life as an armed Mooslim sneaking across the border.”
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“Ya know whats really sad? The backers of illegals, Communists, environmaniacs, NAU and those who seek to destroy our dying Republic they just don’t talk they actually take it to the streets. Where are the Patriots, God believing Christians, anti NWO /globalists, 9/11 Truthers, anti anything? Only time you see us is in small numbers or not at all, cannot fight a war if nobody is willing to fight on the front lines…”
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“WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE. YOU WANT ME TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK WETBACK?”
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“It is my suspicion that Mario DOESN’T have a caucasian wife….its only wishful thinking.”
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“Eventually you with all your bad grammer [sic] will be forced to leave or be hunted down and killed.”
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“Any American female who would marry an illegal is nothing more than a skanky reject that no American man would want, so she lowers herself to your sub-standards and accepts an illegal (criminal) as a husband.”
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“Every one of these illegals are criminals and most have committed at least two crimes. So what would you like, to keep them here so they can commit some more?”
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“THEY BREED LIKE RATS SO THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE AMERICAN CITIZENS”
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“It’s the people of Hispanic decent that have the most arrogant ‘me, me, me’ attitudes and insist we owe them something.”
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“It’s also true they’re uneducated, illiterate thieves — criminals, every last one of them.”
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“Go to the Swap Shop – it was disgusting) and we saw (coming and going) so many Mexicans packed like sardines into mini-vans and SUVs. They were sitting on top of each other’s laps and crammed behind the last seat in the back, and sitting (squatting) in between the seats by the feet of the people sitting down. It was dangerous and scary looking.”
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“Well, it’s like stuffing 12 eight years old in one…they’re all about the same size, except for the extra-wide load mamacitas. Can you just imagine the stench in that van?”
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“I’ll send numerous of them to your house and you can help support them and whatever farm animals and diseases they bring with.”
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“They [Cubans] are worse than the Mexicans I have met as far as being arrogant, demanding, unwilling to assimilate, etc.”
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“Ya but I am legal you are not. Scum bucket”
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“Here we have another clueless pro-illegal traitor coming out of the cracks like some cockroach. ”
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“Mexican as a country are stupid, filthy, lazy, thievs. They are to lazy to fix thier own country so they wish to steal from us. This is not bigotry but plain facts. They live like animals so why not call them on it.”
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“The only ignorant bastards are those advocating the take over of our country by illegal THIEVES.”

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at PhotobucketNow, to be fair, many of the people allied with these commenters in their fight against the illegal invasion of cockroaches and wetbacks claim to be concerned only with the fact the LAW is being BROKEN by ILLEGALS. If the law changed and allowed increased access to folks crossing our borders, I’m guessing the LAW would be the PROBLEM. There are some serious concerns regarding how to pay for social services without the benefit of tax dollars, but this can be helped if not remedied by inviting undocumented workers into a polite society.

Tom Tancredo was endorsed for his presidential run by international white supremacist groups because of his stance on immigration. Note to immigration hardliners – If you find yourself in bed with Tancredo and the Klan, go build another bed that deliberately excludes those who would further institutionalize racism and xenophobia. Then you won’t have to worry about folks like me noticing that their drool is on your pillow.


Comments

  1. syntax says:

    Bless you, Screwy, for slogging through the AC-T’s message boards so we don’t have to.

    I guess by using another service (Topix), there’s a convenient degree of separation. They don’t have to babysit it, and they can deflect any charges that they’re encouraging that kind of ignorant and culturally backward discourse by proxy. Smart move, AC-T. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to fit a microwafer between yourselves and, say, Free Republic.

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  2. Tim Peck says:

    I felt certain the you understood the logical fallacy of “guilt by association” — a tactic famously employed by Senator Joseph McCarthy.

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

    I’ll admit, it’s a good one. But invalid nonetheless.

    I would much prefer a counter-argument stand on its merits. Do tease into your camp with something more substantive.

    I presume that you believe that American is not a sovereign nation and, therefore, cannot either permit or deny immigration — legal immigration, that is. And that illegal immigration cannot and should not be condemned, thwarted or even criticized — irrespective of the actual harms it demonstrably poses.

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  3. Hate to quote myself but…

    “If you find yourself in bed with Tancredo and the Klan, go build another bed that deliberately excludes those who would further institutionalize racism and xenophobia. Then you won’t have to worry about folks like me noticing that their drool is on your pillow.”

    You’re not guilty by association, Tim (unless you are?), but you are in league with them. Politics making strange bedfellows and all.

    The benefits given and gained by undocumented workers are myriad. As I mention in my post, though you ignore it, is that there are genuine economic concerns as well, and this is why we must work harder to invite illegals into polite society while ensuring that our laws at the border are enforced.

    Feel better, Tim? Now how about an unequivocal statement denouncing racism in all its forms and a refusal to work with white supremacists in reaching your goal?

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  4. Tim Peck says:

    “You’re not guilty by association, Tim (unless you are?)”

    Insinuation is also not a valid argument.

    “Now how about an unequivocal statement denouncing racism in all its forms and a refusal to work with white supremacists in reaching your goal?”

    Somehow I do not feel compelled to deny something that has not been asserted or demonstrated.

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  5. You’re saying I have to find an instance of overt racism before you’ll disavow racism?

    All I’m saying is this, Tim. You clearly feel that your argument regarding illegal immigrants is based on merit, law, and American values. Is it too much to ask that you refuse to partner with white supremacists to acheive your lofty goals?

    This seems simple to me, and it may be important for voters to know that you aren’t associated with white supremacists despite your unified vision on the subject of immigration.

    You are not a white supremacist I gather. Will you work with those that are?

    The world is watching.

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  6. Tim Peck says:

    Racism is not an exclusively white problem. I’m sure that members of La Raza could help round out your perspective on that.

    To suggest anything otherwise would be dishonest and, frankly, a distraction.

    To wit:

    Racist Hate Crime ripped from the headlines:
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5402725,00.html

    Furthermore, and finally, the problem of the unabated invasion of illegal aliens is not centered on race. American citizens — White, Black and Hispanic — are rightly concerned, even outraged, about the uncontrolled migration of foreigners into a sovereign nation.

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  7. So you will or won’t work with white supremacists? I missed your answer. This ought to be an easy one.

    And about the black and hispanic people that are outraged by the “uncontrolled migration”… I don’t see many of them in the photos from the Action Club meetings…

    Your rhetoric – “invasion” “migration” – seems bent on vilification and division. We are a nation of immigrants, some legal, some not. Mine weren’t, and they were horse thieves for a while. Criminals. Does that mean that everything my family has done since is somehow less American?

    Further, linking to an article about a race-based crime could start a shooting war between us. You really want me to run around linking to all the articles about whites beating up on minorities? What would that accomplish?

    Your divisive rhetoric helps to drive the culture of violence, and your unwillingness to simply signal whether you’ll work with white supremacists makes it all the more difficult to move past the issue that you consider a distraction.

    Let’s move past it. Will you work or are you working with white supremacists in order to end the “invasion” or “migration” of “aliens”? This is something of a litmus test for me. Let the answer be no, and we can begin to move on.

    Frankly I surprised you didn’t just disavow racism and move on to the policy issues such as social services, crime, labor, business, and citizenship.

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  8. Bradford says:

    I have to agree with Tim. We have no reason to believe he is working with white supremacists or that he is a racist. To demand that he disavow something that is not true in the first place, seems wildly inappropriate and not a particularly strong point of debate.

    You’re very simplistically lumping anyone who disagrees with you into crazy right-wing world. As I think Tim clearly lays out, guilt by association or insinuation is a logical fallacy.

    Screwy, I think you’ve raise many good points about the immigration issue and you’ve made me think twice on a number of them. However on the Tim and Heath are no better than the KKK attack line, I think you’re losing credibility and quite frankly sound a little shrill.

    Regards,
    The King of Sweden

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  9. Huh.

    Maybe I’m not being clear.

    Or maybe I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to simply state one’s opposition to racist organizations, especially when said groups are certainly working towards common goal.

    I don’t believe Tim Peck is a racist or a white supremacist or anything of the sort, but his evasions leave doubt in my mind, doubt which is easily squelched and dismissed with a simple acknowledgement that racism is wrong and that white supremacist groups are not working with legitimate organizations to address the immigration issue.

    You, bradford, overstate my case by saying that “Tim and Heath are no better than the KKK”. They are most certainly better so long as they’re not consorting with them. Tom Tancredo, endorsed by white supremacist groups, came to visit Charles Taylor. Taylor, Tancredo, and Shuler all support the same position in regards to immigration. I don’t know Tim’s specifics, so I can’t speak for his views in relation to Tancredo’s. But I do know that incendiary language like we see in the excerpts from the Citizen-Times indicate a great degree of racism and hostility. Tim uses phrases such as “invasion” and “migration”, which also infer hostility and something bordering on dehumanization.

    I’m always prepared to debate the merits, so can we just get this racism thing out of the way?

    Maybe a more artfully worded question will do –

    Tim, if I were to say that you are not a racist and that you will not do business with white supremacists in pursuit of your policy agenda, would I be right?

    Alternately,

    Would you take a moment to explain your feelings regarding the racist language and attitudes exemplified by the comments in the above post?

    Are we feeling better now?

    Again, I’m shocked you haven’t just put this to rest by disavowing racism and moving on to substantive policy discussion.

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  10. syntax says:

    I think you’re losing credibility and quite frankly sound a little shrill.

    Shrill, huh? When did people stop using the word “strident” to describe anyone who is, as our friend Jim once put it, “loudly and proudly taking part in the democratic process by writing or stating ideas in opposition to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Lynn Cheney, et al.”?

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  11. Bradford says:

    I’m opposed to racist organizations. Now will you disavow any relationship with child molesters? I can’t discuss this issue until you disavow something that has nothing to do with your position and for which I have no reason to think you would ever associate yourself with. Please, why can’t you just say it and we can move on?

    I know the above example is ridiculous, but to my eyes, that’s how your text reads to me.

    Massive human migration, particularly from poor to wealthy countries is a worldwide issue and will probably only get worse with climate change and water related issues. I’ve met many immigrants from Mexico and I could not possibly disagree more with many on the right that characterize them as lazy and seeking nothing but welfare benefits. All of them that I’ve met are incredibly hard working, decent, humble, and family focused individuals.

    I do believe we need to improve border security and enforce sanctions against employers, but that is a short-term fix to a long term problem. If we don’t address the inequities, corruption, and poverty in contries like Mexico then the tallest fence in the world won’t solve the issue.

    Then again in a world at peak oil production, running full speed into global warming, and 7th century religious fundamentalists on the cusp of getting nuclear weapons, decent folks coming in from Mexico is not what keeps me up at night.

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  12. [...] Immigration Hardliners Ought To Disavow White Supremacy By Screwy Hoolie In this comment thread, Tim Peck, City Council candidate, and bradford, King of Sweden, take me to task for performing [...]

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  13. Nice job, bradford. Wasn’t that easy?

    The fact, as I lay out in today’s post, is that immigration hardliners already have a demonstrated link to white supremacist organizations and that there is a surge of membership in racist groups stemming from the immigration debate. Go read it and maybe we can get on the same page.

    Thanks, by the way, for engaging in this important facet of the immigration debate.

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